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Ray Wylie Hubbard Deals With The Devil

Posted October 2017

RayWylieHubbard 001 cropOne thing is for certain: America absolutely loves Texas singer/songwriter, Ray Wylie Hubbard. No matter where he performs, it’s pretty much always to a capacity crowd.

The next most popular Hubbard related event is when he releases a new CD, which he just happened to have done with, “Tell The Devil I’m Gettin’ There As Fast As I Can”.  It was for that album that I recently chatted with Hubbard for the second time in as many years. Already, the disc is creating lots of buzz.

“Well, everybody seems to like it. Like I say: I’m not a mainstream guy. I’m kinda that whole American/Folky Blues thing. All the response that I got from everyone – they really seem to like it.

“It’s not really a concept album but it’s kinda got - when you really think about it, it

is. Ha! Ha! It starts off with me re-writing Genesis – or paraphrasing Genesis, as a matter of fact – then it goes through all this stuff and then it ends up with me pleading my case before the court of Heaven.

“Like I say: I’m kinda old school when it comes to old records, you know? You put it on the first one and it’s kinda sort of like a movie, in a way. The idea of doing a single never crossed my mind, ever. I just write the songs and put them together.

EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited“But, to answer your question: People seem to have liked it when it’s been out there. I feel very grateful for that.”

Ray always touches on the spiritual in a lot of his songs but this album is pretty spiritual from the first cut to the last. I asked if there was any particular reason for this.

“You get to be an old guy like me and you kinda start thinking about your mortality. One of the ideas of it is that I hope God grades on a curve. Ha! Ha! I’m not Mother Teresa but I’m Attila the Hun, you know, so maybe a C- will get me in kind of a cul-de-sac, somewhere.

“But, yeah, you kinda get there but also I’m not very, extremely dogma but I try to RayWylieHubbard Devil COVERlive on certain spiritual principles.”

In describing his religious/spiritual views, Hubbard said: “Being honest. Not holding resentment. Showing courage when you need to. Caring. Having some compassion. That’s about it. Ha! Ha!”

Back to the CD, I asked Ray if there any of the songs leftovers from any of his previous projects.

“Not really. As I kinda write the songs – and when I get ten or eleven of them I’ll record them and then I put that record out and then I start writing again. So, I don’t think any of these were left over at all. These were all news from The Ruffians Misfortune.”

As for which cut from the disc he would point to as a calling card for the whole album, Ray said:

RayWylieHubbard 002“Well, it actually would be the title track: Tell The Devil I’m Gettin’ There As Fast As I Can. That’s the rock and roll fable, you know? That whole idea there’s a musician and he played the Strat and the loud stuff. Was in a cover band, doing the Clash and the Kinks. Then he got him an old Gibson and a small amp and he this alt Country thing and then he falls in love with a wild, tattooed woman, which, to tell you the truth isn’t a fable, is it? It happened to me.

“That’s the title track and I thought about it a lot. It’s kind of a weird, long title. But, then, I went, ‘Yeah, that’s kind of that lifestyle.’ Then, all of a sudden you realize thatRayWylieHubbard 003 – the devil being a metaphor for time passing on. I’m getting there as fast as I can, whatever the ending is.

“That’s kinda the centerpiece of the album. Plus, having Eric Church and Lucinda sing on it, that’s just added frosting to the cupcake, I guess.”

I asked if they were in the studio together or did he send the files back and forth.

“Yeah, we sent the files back and forth and they were just gracious enough to do that.”

Which song is nearest and dearest to his heart?

“Well, I guess the last song: In Times Of Cold, ‘cause all of a sudden we were sweatin’ around some this last winter and Judy was going – something was going on. She had a couple of quilts around her and was just cold and everything. I just RayWylieHubbard 004started thinking, ‘Man, when I do pass on, I’m not going to be there to comfort in times of cold. That’s one that I wrote for her and kinda us for the time being. They say that love never dies. Maybe the human body does but the essence and the mind – that love would still be there. I kinda started thinking like that: ‘Well, my goodness. In times of cold, be here.’ It kinda comes back to thinking about your mortality, I guess, as you get older. So, that’s one that’s very personal to me. I just kinda wrote it and said, ‘Well, it really doesn’t kinda fit the rest of the record, in a way but I’m going to go ahead and out it on there.’”

When asked what the crowd favorite seems to be, Ray said, “Oh, gosh! Well, we’re only doing about four of ‘em and it’s just kinda new now. I think Lucifer And The Fallen Angels is pretty much root screamin’ rock and roll. That whole idea – pickin’ RayWylieHubbard 001up Lucifer and some fallen angel and robbin’ a liquor store and bein’ all that stuff. So I get to put my little digs in there, you know what I mean? But it does rock. It just straight ahead, old school, kinda Johnny Winter slide on it. That’s really one that I think the audience really, really enjoys a lot.”

Asked if he thought the new country is like classic rock and is why people gravitate towards it.

“I can’t remember the exact quote. ‘If you can get ‘em to move their butts, then their mind and heart follows.’ Ha! Ha! Get ‘em to get that groove; get that back beat where they rock back and forth, groovin’ to it. That’s really an important thing, in a sense. Not to be facetious but like I say, the idea of the body locking into the groove and then the lyrics and maybe the insight comes later. So, yeah, I think everybody to get down. If you got the boogie in your bones, it’s got to come out. I think John Lee Hooker said that.”

Is there a song that he thinks people don’t get?

“Well, everything’s pretty cut ‘n dry. To answer your question, I hadn’t really thought of it like that. Everything’s pretty wide open. The song, Prayer, is pretty much where I’m at. I don’t know much about the sacred. I’m not into the Ecclesiastical but, hey! God doesn’t really need to hear my prayers. I need to hear me praying, which puts me into a better place than not. Ha! Ha! You know what I mean? It’s not the only thing I do, it’s the best thing that I do. It’s where I should be, is to keep in that state; that conscious contact type thing.”

In the last interview with Ray Wylie Hubbard, I asked him how he hoped to be remembered and what he hoped his legacy would be, to which he said: “He was a cat who preferred spirituality to religion conversion.” He then went on to say, “I don’t really think about it like that. I enjoy writing any songs where I can contribute to other peoples’ lives. I’d like to see if I can bring joy to someone’s life. When I play a gig, I like to see people laugh, dance, and sing along.”

How does he answer that question now?RayWylieHubbard Devil COVER

“He was a cat who preferred spirituality to religion conversion.” Then you went on to say, “I don’t really think about it like that. I enjoy writing any songs where I can contribute to other peoples’ lives. I’d like to see if I can bring joy to someone’s life. When I play a gig, I like to see people laugh, dance, and sing along.” So, now that you’ve done a spiritually oriented typed of CD, how would you answer that question today?

“Ditto. Ha! Ha! Same thing. No, I’m just kidding. That worked then. It works now. It’s the same thing, you know? I just really write these ol’ songs and somewhere in there it’s seeing what I can contribute rather than just what I can get. I’m not writing songs because I’ve got a publishing deal and I’m not writing songs to try to get some Nashville guy to record ‘em. I’m just writing these songs and seeing if I can, like I say, bring a smile or a joy or somebody just pattin’ their feet. Or, if they had a bad day, just can smile about something.

“So, that’s what it comes back to me. It’s still seein’ what I can contribute rather than what I can get. It’s still kinda that same thing.”

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Graham Nash

Posted September 2017

Nash 1a cropWhen you hear the name, Graham Nash, what comes to mind? His work with The Hollies or, of course, his great body of work in the various incarnations of bands with David Crosby, Stephen Stills, and Neil Young. Of course, Nash is also known for his activism, art, photography, and, in recent years, writing books.

For me, I think the earliest song I remember associating with Mr. Nash is when I heard him and the rest of CSNY sing, “Love The One You’re With” and to this day, whenever I hear that song, I remember laying in my room, hearing it crackle out over an old AM radio when I was a pre-teen in Phoenix.

Obviously, when I was given the opportunity to chat with Graham by phone regarding his latest album, current tour, and his photo exhibit at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I was naturally ecstatic. The experience was one of the highlights of my writing career.

As part of this piece, I reached out to our friends at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame to give us some comments regarding Graham Nash. I chatted with Karen Herman (Vice President, Collections and Curatorial Affairs for the Rock Hall) about the Hall’s collaboration with Nash for an exhibit of portions of his extensive memorabilia collection and photography work.

“He was actually really wonderful to work with. We did an exhibit with him in fall of 2015. It was fabulous! It was called

‘Graham Nash: Touching The Flame’. Not only was it about his life and career, but, also, it was about what he’s collected over the years from those that inspired him. And, on top of that, one of the things when we were first working on the exhibit was he really wanted to be seen as a full artist, not just as a musical artist but also as a visual artist, a thinker. So, there’s a lot – very multi-dimensional is how I would put it.”

Regarding the feedback on the exhibit, she said:

“That’s a great question. The feedback was really, really amazing! I think Graham actually had the best comment that was actually the headline for the Billboard story that ran on it. I can’t even say it in polite company what the headlines were. Ha! Ha!

EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited“Everything he does, he does with gusto and joy of life and really looking at everything from every angle. He’s a photographer. He’s a musician. He’s a two-time Rock Hall inductee. There’s just so much to him and he has such a great grasp of history of rock and roll that came before him. He’s got a collection of the Everly Brothers’ guitars; things like that. Things that Buddy Holly, Elvis Presley – he really salutes those who came before him and  helped him become the musician that he became.”

As my chat with Graham Nash began, we cut right to the chase by chatting about the tour.

“ . . . people are paying to come see me is a great compliment. My job is to do two things. One: Is to try to tell the truth as much as I can and, two, to reflect the times in which we live. That’s what me and David and Stephen and Neil and Joni and everybody else has been doing for years. We have to reflect the times in which we live!”

Baby Boomers were considered an idealistic generation – some being far more idealistic than others but all hoping for a bright future of love and peace. I asked Graham to think back fifty-plus years ago and if he imagined that the world would be what it is today.

“I’ve always known that the world is a chaotic place. I’ve always known that there’s a great deal of love and a great deal of Nash 1bbeauty. And I’ve also known that there’s a great deal of ugliness violence in it. My job is to breathe, to be alive, and to feel because before I write about anything, I have to feel deeply about it. I find music is a very precious thing to me and I have great respect for the muse of music. And, so, the fact that I’m still here after fifty-odd years of doing this is completely amazing to me!

“Somebody wrote to me a few weeks ago and saying last year was the fiftieth year of Bus Stop. Are you kidding?! Fifty years ago?! Ha! Ha! That’s amazing! I’m still here. I’m still writing. I’m still creating. I’m still feeling. This is fantastic!

“Was it Jagger that said, ‘Don’t trust anybody over thirty?’ Yes, maybe we shouldn’t trust anybody under thirty! Ha! Ha!”

Later in our chat, Graham also said:

“We were very idealistic and with very good reason. It was the Summer of Love. It was sunshine. It was freedom. We were coming out of the Eisenhower administration and Kennedy had gotten killed and the Beatles came and revitalized the entire world. To have been a part of that? I mean, you have got to understand: You and I are very lucky. We are living in the same world as Bob Dylan and the Beatles and Joni and all these incredible writers and this incredible music that was made. I’ve been right in the middle of it forever, it seems. And, yet, I still have the same passion for music. I still have the ability to think of something and feel that it’s not right and write about it or fall in love. I still have this passion and it just won’t let me go and I’m very pleased.”

As with past solo tours, Nash is touring with his long-time guitarist, Shne Fontayne. I asked how long have they had known each other and worked together.

“Here’s what happened: Do you know who Mark Cohen is? Well, Crosby and I sang on a couple of tracks on a couple of albums of Mark’s and one day at the El Rey Theater in Los Angeles, he was playing and he wanted me and Crosby to come and sing a couple of songs. So, we did. His lead guitar player was this man called Shane Fontayne.

Nash 2“Now, with a name like Shane Fontayne, I thought he was from Alabama or something but he’s actually English. At that time, Crosby and I were two weeks away from going to Europe on tour and our lead guitar player, Dean Parks - who was a very important session man – didn’t want to lose his place in the queue for the first call for musicians, you know? And, so, he couldn’t go. We asked Shane and Shane learned thirty-two songs in three days and became our lead guitar player with Crosby, Nash and then he was the guitar player in Crosby, Stills and Nash with the other lead guitar player being, of course, Stephen Stills. No pressure there, of course. Then, for the last couple of years, it’s been me and Shane stripping the songs down to their very essence as to how they were created – a simple way, with a guitar or a piano. People are responding brilliantly to it.”

Graham’s latest album is entitled, This Path Tonight. It’s a magnificent body of work with any one song on it making it worth the price of the entire album. I asked what the response to it has been – both as an album and the songs performed at shows?

“When me and David or when me and David and Stephen or when me and David and Stephen and Neil do great work and people respond – let’s say to Teach Your Children – there’s a song written forty-five years ago. It’s been in their hearts and souls for years. They love the song, right? But when you can get them to their feet, applauding, with a song they’ve only heard once, that’s impressive to me! With a song like Myself At Last – let me tell you privately: When you’re recording – we booked the studio starting on Monday. Sunday afternoon, the lads bring all the gear in and they take the drums out of the cases, la la la la la la. Sunday evening, the band come in and set up so the drummer can see the bass player and I can see everybody – you know, that kind of stuff.

“Then, you have to sing and play something to make sure that it’s all plugged in right. Myself At Last is the first attempt at Nash 3the first song we tried. One take. That’s when I knew that this album was going to be very pleasing to me.”

Does there seem to be a crowd favorite from the album?

“Actually, that one. Yeah. And, actually, Encore. People really love that song for some reason.”

As for a follow-up to the CD, Graham said:

“The reality is that Shane and I wrote twenty songs in a month and recorded those twenty songs in eight days. There was only ten on the album. Thirteen if you buy the deluxe version from iTunes. So, we had seven left that we still love and we’re still writing. So, when I go on this tour that we started in the middle of July, we’ll be on the bus writing.

“It’s very difficult. When you sing in front of a couple of thousand people and you’re adored and appreciated and applauded and, then, you go onto your bus, then what? I make myself a cup of tea and no one’s applauding. So, me and Shane get our guitars out and still play until hours in the morning – particularly on a long journey.”

With over fifty years of performances under his belt, does Nash see a difference in the crowds between then and now?

Nash 4“We’ve always had great crowds. But what I’ve been noticing lately is this beautiful thing where parents and brothers and sisters – older brothers and sisters are passing on the music to the younger generation. So, I see seventy year old people at our concerts and I see fifteen year old people at our concerts. The truth is, we’re not Brad Pitt, you know what I’m saying? It must be the music and that’s what’s thrilling to me as a musician.”

Most people would agree that Graham Nash has had his hand in writing some of the most memorable songs that stand the test of time. When I asked what is driving the empty lyrics of todays songs compared to the heartfelt lyrics he wrote, he answered without the slightest hesitation.

“I’ll tell you exactly what’s driving it: Smoke. Mirrors. Flashing lights. Dancing girls. Millions of people on stage, all lip-syncing. That’s what’s going on now to a large degree. Of course, within that, there are many people that can still write about topical issues. But, you know, here I am, this kid from the north of England that escaped having to do what his dad did and what his grandfather did: go down the mine or into the mill. My mother and father, thank God, recognized my passion for music since I was thirteen years old and just encouraged me to do that. I had friends whose family was slapping them up the side of the head: ‘Get a real job. This music s**** is not going to last.’ And this was in the late fifties. So, here I am, incredibly proud to be an American citizen. I’m incredibly passionate about what I do and, as I said, my responsibility as a musician is to make sure that everybody’s smiling as they’re leaving.”

Many feel that the state of the music industry is one of disarray and brokenness. Nash feels to the contrary.Nash 5

“It’s not broken. It’s just completely changing as it always did and it always will. But there are certain things that are inevitable. I don’t think, personally, there’ll ever be a band as great as The Beatles ever again. I keep my ears open. I don’t see it anywhere. I see certain individuals creating great music but I don’t see The Beatles.

“I just did an event at the Paley Center in New York City about the ‘All You Need Is Love’ television special that I attended. How people are fascinated with The Beatles and fascinated with the Summer of Love. It would be very interesting to see what historians think of this in a hundred years. Maybe it will be seen like Vienna at the turn of the century when architects and furniture builders and artists and philosophers all gathered over massive amounts of coffee to talk about what they were doing? Maybe Paris in the 1930’s with Gertrude Stein and Picasso and all those people. I think the Summer of Love and The Beatles are going to be seen in that kind of frame.”

As for the biggest changes he’s seeing in the music business, Graham wryly stated:

“I see people really trying to speak truth to power and I see people lip-synching their way into Hell.”

Nash 6Artists such as Mr. Nash whose career has spanned generations often lament the digitization of recording music today. I asked if he missed how music used to be recorded.

“I don’t miss much because it’s still the same for me. I try and write decent songs and get them in the first take. I’m trying to be as real as possible. But I can only deal with my life. There’s only me in here. I have to satisfy myself every day. I have to create something every day or else I get upset with myself. My time is running out. I’m seventy-five right now. How much longer can this go on, seriously? But I have to do the best I can and that’s all I’m trying to do.”

Three years ago, Graham released his autobiography, Wild Tales: A Rock & Roll Life. It’s a fascinating read and should be in your library if it isn’t already. I asked him if another book was in the works.

“Who knows? It was interesting writing it. I got to tell you, when I got the first double-spaced, single-paged version of the book in its very earliest thing, I got to the end of it – I read every word, of course, because I’d written it - and I got to the end of it and I was on my own and I said to myself, ‘Holy s****! I wish I was him!’ Because my life has been insane and it doesn’t show any sign of stopping! How lucky!”

Artists usually have a bucket list of things they still want to do, creatively, that they haven’t yet done. I asked Nash what was on his list.

“Sing ‘Yesterday,’ two-part harmony in front of millions of people with Paul. I could kill ‘Yesterday’ for sure. He’s always treated me with great respect, Paul, ever since the day I first met him, which was in 1959.”

At the time of our chat, Graham’s photography work was on exhibit at Walter Wickiser Gallery in New York City so I asked how that was going for him.

“It’s very interesting, you know, because, in a way, I’m kind of on top of my own kind of world here in the music business andNash 1a I’ve been criticized and praised, et cetera, for many, many decades. But it’s interesting to allow yourself to be criticized in a brand new art form. But it’s very interesting. People have been responding to the paintings and to the prints and the photographs very, very well.”

Wrapping up our chat, I asked Graham Nash how he hoped to be remembered and what his legacy will be.

“I want to be remembered as a human being that cared and tried to do his best. That’s all. I think the music stands for itself and I think it speaks volumes.”

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Greg Kihn ReKihndled

Posted July, 2017

GregKihn cropIf you listened to the radio at all in the early eighties, no doubt you heard two songs that seemed to dominate the airwaves: The Breakup Song and Jeopardy – both by The Greg Kihn Band.

Ever since those award-winning days, Kihn has continued to record albums as well as DJing in the San Francisco area and writing novels.

Quite the renaissance man, huh?

It was to that first and original activity that Greg recently contacted me. We chatted about his new CD, “ReKihndled”. He called from his California home and we started with him updating me on what he’s been up to the last few years.

“People say, ‘Hey, Greg, where have ya been, man?’ Actually, where I’ve been for the last eighteen years is I’ve been on the radio, too. I’ve been on the morning show on KFOX radio in San Francisco and did that for eighteen years straight. You know how radio is. One day you’re in. One day you’re out. Actually, at that point in time, I had it with getting up at 4 a.m. You can’t have a life if you get up at 4 a.m.! It took some taken used to. Then, when they say, ‘Hey, do you want to go and play a gig on the weekend?’, I go, ‘Hell no!’ I just wanted to sleep! Whenever I got a couple of days off, I just wanted to sleep!”

Answering my question to verify that ReKihndled was his seventeenth Album, Kihn said:

“Yeah. You know, and I’m proud of this one because, number one, it’s got my son on it – Ry Kihn. And, I think, materially,

it’s a lot better than the other albums. And, you know? You get these song ideas and, if you’re not in songwriting mode, a lot of them just get pushed off to the back burner. At the end of a year, I had a ton of really good album ideas. You, know, writing the songs was, actually, the easy part. Once we got everything in place, I had Robert Berry help me out. He’s the bass player and also the producer. But, it was just me and Robert and we have a new drummer now – a guy by the name of Dave Lauser, who is on loan from the Sammy Hagar band. He’s a friend of mine – Sammy is – and he said, ‘Hey, look, I’ve gotta do Chickenfoot and all this summer. And, after that, I gotta do this reunion tour and this, that, and the other. Why don’t you take Dave for the next year and you can work him out. I got too many gigs. I can’t fit him in.’ So, that’s how Dave really kinda wound up playing in the band. He’s kinda like Keith Moon. He’s a very busy drummer. It’s a lot of excitement. I just love playing with him.”

When I commented that the band sounds like they’ve played with him for years, Greg agreed.

“That’s the way it is in this band. We’re a heritage band. We’ve been around since, like, the early Paleozoic era. We’ve been around for a long-ass time. The beauty of it is we get a guy like Dave who’s new to the band and we get a whole new lease on life. I tell ya: It’s a very small band. It’s me and my son. So, half the band is Kihns, right there. Then, Robert and Dave. It’s a very small, close-knit group.”

Why the title, “ReKihndled”?

EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited“I hope it ‘rekindles’ my career! How’s that? I figured when we started making these ‘Kihn’ puns, it was early in the game. We named the first album – it was just ‘Greg Kihn’. And, then, we got the second album and they said, ‘What do you want to call it?’ and some wisenheimer said, ‘Let’s do it ‘Greg Kihn Again’. Okay. So, now we got two albums. Then the next album comes out. ‘What do you want to name it?’ ‘How about, ‘Next of Kihn’? It just started and it never stopped. Kihnsolidation, Kihnspiracy. There are dozens.

“My mother, when she was alive, thought that was great. She really loved it. She thought it was real clever. Me, personally, I don’t know. I probably coulda ditched that after three or four albums. But, hey, look! It’s my name and it actually really is my name and people keep coming up with more titles. As long as they keep coming up with titles, I’ll keep making albums.”

Most artists say that each album they record is always different from the previous projects they’ve recorded. I asked if that was the case with Greg.

“Yeah, that’s a good question. It was our first album that we made at Soundtech Studios – which is owned and operated by our bass player, Robert, so it was really comfortable. It was the same room that we would rehearse in so we could come down there and work on a song all week and, then, cut it on a Saturday and it was pretty cool.

“The best thing about, I think, working on this past album, was that, usually, I don’t really have a direction. I’m a flapping fish! But this time, I seem to know where I was going with every album and every song. I really felt like there was a definite sense of ‘me’. I had a little special message I was putting in the album work that it’s never too late. It’s a very positive message. It’s never too late. You’ve gotta keep on trying and all of that kind of stuff. It’s a message to never give up is, basically, the message. A lot of the songs really fell into that category and they had that same message.

“The best stuff that we were doing – when we first started working on the album, we would think of things. I remember telling Ry that I wanted to do a song like, ‘Oh Well,’ by Fleetwood Mac. Remember that? It had an instrumental passage and, then, stopped and, then, they sang and it stopped. Then, they’d play again. And, my son, ‘Yeah! You mean, like, Black Dog, by Led Zeppelin?’ ‘Yeah! That’s exactly what I’m talking about!’ The next day, he comes back. He’d been doing his homework. Came back with the riff that became Pink Flamingos. I started sing big, pink flamingos. I don’t know where it came from. It was floating in the air right in front of my head and I just started singing it. That song was written in about 15 minutes which is how the really good ones get done.

“You gotta have a little luck involved but if it hits you just right, a song will write itself and the less that you that you try to force it – to be something that it’s not – the more happier it’s going to be. Now I’m talking like these songs are like my children and they’re all going to college now.”

And which song would be the CD’s calling card?

“Oh! That’s a great question! You know, I would say my favorite is Big Pink Flamingos. But if you wanted the best song that really reflected what the album was all about, I would say – you know, that’s a good question. It’s thought provoking but there’s the first song on there called, ‘The Life I Got,” which is very autobiographical. I say that would be the album cut that I would think would most represent us. The Life I Got. That’s cut one. Side one.”

It’s not unusual for artists to pull previously unused songs or recordings to populate an album they’re working on. When I asked if that was the case with ReKihndled, Kihn said:

“Oh, yeah! I’ll tell you. One of the songs that had been hanging around in my brain was The Brain Police. It was a half way written song for about two or three years. I just never really go around to finishing it. That particular day for drummers, we had our original drummer from the Greg Kihn Band forty years ago, Larry Lynch, happened to drop by the studio. He listened to the song and goes, ‘I gotta play drums on that song!’ We set him up and I did that thing in about two takes. He goes, ‘Wow! What a great idea!’ I said, ‘Well, Larry, that song’s been laying around here for years and years!” I played him The Brain Police and it was, like, ‘Oh, yeah! I remember that!’ But he didn’t recognize it. So, what are you gonna do?”

Then, out of the blue, Kihn says:

“You know? It’s a good life being a musician. I’ve been real lucky in my life. I feel like it’s been a long, successful career and I just feel like I was blessed. When I was a little kid, my mom used to say, ‘Well, if you can get a job being a musician, you’re blessed!’ Low and behold, I did it! I don’t know how I did it. I just did it.

“There’s a big gulf between writing songs and just covering songs. When you’re writing them, they’re inside you. They’re autobiographical. I just try to let the song be what it wants to be. I think that’s the key, right there. If you leave the song alone - you don’t try to force it to be something it doesn’t want to be - nine times out of ten it’s going to be the song that you originally tried to write to begin with. Songwriting – it’s a weird thing. I would call it a craft because, as you get better at it – like, if you do it for twenty years, you get better at it. It’s a craft. Just like playing the guitar or writing a novel or something like that – it all comes together in the end. If it’s not coming easy, don’t do it. Otherwise, it’s going to sound like you forced it. Let’s face it: songs that you force are never as good as songs that just come out organically.

“Like I said before – I say this all the time. I probably sound like a broken record but I’m blessed! I really am! I had a wonderful career and written a whole bunch of songs. It was never hard for me. They say that someday you’re going to run out of your ideas. It hasn’t happened to me. The last forty years it hasn’t happened to me so I feel like I’m really lucky and just having that gig where, ‘What do you do in life?’ ‘Well, I play music.’ That’s pretty good, man.”

Regarding how long the album took to record, Greg said:

“It was less than a year. I’d say, maybe, about eight to ten months. We started easy. We didn’t dive into it. We just kinda tip-toed into the water. I remember, because we started it – we weren’t really starting an album. It’s like, ‘Let’s record a couple of our songs here and see where it leads.’ By about the third song, we said, ‘You know what? Let’s make a whole album because this it’s too good!’ I never really understood what I was doing, thank God! Because, if I understood it, I’d probably over-analyze it and I wouldn’t be able to do it!”

And what has been fan and crowd reaction to the album, so far?

“Oh, I’m glad you asked me that because the crowd reaction’s been outstanding. You know, you go out there and you play, you tell everybody you go out there and do two or three of your hits and then you say to everybody, ‘Hey! We’re gonna do a new song from the album!’ That’s where everybody goes out and gets a beer right there. But people are diggin’ it, you know. Songs like Big Pink Flamingos, they’re loving it. There’s another song called Cassandra that’s kind of like a punk rock song. We started off with playing four or five album cuts in the live show. Now I look at it, The Life I Got, Pink Flamingos, Anthem, Cassandra, Tell Me Something Good, are all songs that can stand on their own and they do well when we play them live.

“You know, it’s always cool the first time you ever play a song live and people are already singing along! It’s, like, ‘Okay, I must’ve hit the nerve here.’”

Regarding tour support for ReKihndled, Greg shared:

“We’re planning on being out there this summer. We’ve got a bunch of shows. If you wanna see where we’re going, you can go over to the website. It’s got the full schedule there plus all the albums plus all the books. Everything you wanted to buy about Greg Kihn is right there at

“We’ve got a bunch of gigs this summer. We’ve only played maybe a handful – like maybe a half a dozen, so far. But, really, it’s going great. The guys are itching to get out there. We’ve got some more dates. Everybody’s loving the new songs.

“You know, the other drag was going out when you didn’t have any new songs. I did a couple of tours maybe five or ten years ago where we were just playing the catalog stuff. I remember thinking, ‘You know, I wish we had a new album out here so I could play some of that stuff.’ And now it’s working out better than I even planned it so that’s great!”

Artists who have been in the business for a lot of years as Greg Kihn has been have seen a lot of changes in the business. I was curious as to what he felt has been the biggest positive and negative changes in making a record since he first started recording.

“The biggest positive and negative changes are the same thing: How they market music these days is completely different from when we made records. We made records and you went around and you went to radio stations. You toured and you just worked your butt off. Then, you were lucky, maybe radio would play your song and then you’d have a hit.

“Nowadays, I really don’t know how it works. I mean, our part of the bargain is the same. We go out and write the songs, record them, and then we hand them to the people that actually merchandise these things. But now you’ve got so many online services for a song. If you’ve got Big Pink Flamingos right now, you can hear it on iTunes. You can buy it on Spotify. It’s everywhere. Right now, there’s so many ways to market a song. It’s like the old wild west. We’re just kind of enjoying what we do and having a good time doing it rather than trying to sell a million records. Nowadays, guys like Bruno Mars sell – we would sell a hundred thousand copies in my day. Now, these guys sell, like, ten million copies. I don’t know how they do it. I don’t know but the business has changed. The way they record it has changed and the way they market it has changed. Really, everything has changed.”

Still on that subject, I asked Kihn were made music czar, what would he do to fix the business or does it need fixing?

“I don’t think it needs fixing. I think it’s very healthy right now. The nice thing about rock and roll is that every generation has its own interpretation of it. If you go to a high school right now, you go in there and you find out what they’re listening to. That’s kind of like their generation music. The other thing, too, I think is important to note is music used to mean a lot to me. When we were kids, if there was a new Beatles or a Stones or a Dylan album, we ran out and got it and then you had to treat the records really good or they would warp or scratch or something like that. You had to really respect the music. I remember every time that was a big deal. If a new album comes out, and I was really into the artist, it was a big deal. I would get it and I would bring it home. I’d play it in my room a thousand times. I’d learn all the songs on it.

“I remember when I was a kid, I always wanted to be Bob Dylan on the cover of the Freewheelin’ album. Here’s a guy – he looked great. He had a good-looking girlfriend and he wrote great songs! The nice thing is, in your life as you get older, you think, ‘Hey, look! I’m doing this! How did I get here? I don’t know but I’m doing it!’”

GregKihnWhen I asked what else would Greg would like to do, career-wise, that he hasn’t done yet, he replied:

“Well, let’s see. I’m involved in novel writing so I’ve written a couple of novels. There’s a new one I’m working on right now. Really, one of the things that I always wanted to do was to have my own creature feature show on Saturday night. Show old horror movies. I think that would make me happy. I told my manager that and he just looked like, ‘Why would you want to do that? That’s crazy.’ It looks like fun! I just want to do it! ‘No, you don’t want to do it. It’s stupid. It’s crazy!’ In real life, I think it would be a hoot having your own horror show every Saturday night.

“I’ve been on the radio. I’ve been involved in writing novels. I’ve been a musician. I feel like I’ve had a pretty good life and I’ve been blessed and I’ve got this far. If it all ended tomorrow, I’d have to say that was a good run.”

Wrapping up our chat, I asked Greg Kihn what I asked him what I ask other artists of his tenure and stature: When he steps off the tour bus called Life many years from now, how does he want to be remembered and what does he hope his legacy will be?

“You know, that’s a really good question because nowadays – this was never the thing before – but nowadays I got grandchildren and I’m really thinking about grandpa’s legacy. I come over to their house for dinner and me and my son, Ry, go down there and they always say, ‘Get out the guitars! Get out the guitars!’ and now they want to play the guitar. They want to sing songs. They’re five and eight years old. But it really makes me think about my legacy. When those guys are teenagers, hopefully, I’ll still be around and they’re still gonna want to be playing my songs. One of my dreams is that - I’ve got my son in the band – wouldn’t it be great to have my grandkids in the band and have three generations of Kihn up there on stage? That would blow my mind!”

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Chris Robinson Brotherhood

Posted August 2017


Chris Robinson Brotherhood MENDENHALL 01aChris Robinson has been rockin’ for over thirty years. Atlanta residents have loved him since the 1980’s when he and his brother, Rich, conquered their city – first as Mr. Crowe’s Garden, then as The Black Crowes. It was that last band name that the rest of the world became gleefully aware of them when their album, Shake Your Money Maker, was unleashed.

In 2010, Chris and Rich put the band on an indefinite furlough and began to work on their own projects. Chris’s is The Chris Robinson Brotherhood and has been described by some as what you would get if you blended the Allman Brothers with The Grateful Dead. Chris would say they’re just making music.

The CRB is hitting the road in support of its latest CD, Barefoot In The Head. It was about that album and supporting tour that I recently chatted with Chris

In preparation for the interview, I had watched a documentary about Chris and the Black Crowes entitled, Who Killed 

That Bird On Your Windowsill. In it, Chris said that the question he hated most usually involved being asked if it was hard working with his brother. The film then went on to show Chris a ration of you-know-what each time he was asked such a question.

Since Chris is now a solo act, I mentioned the documentary comment and asked if there was a similar question that I needed to avoid asking. He laughed and said, “No! No! No! No! Are you kidding? I think, at this point, that question is moot. I mean, you know what I mean? I mean, I’m a solo act, too. The Brotherhood definitely is a band. We just put my name on it to jump in line, occasionally, when we have to.

“It’s so different. I hope it sounds right. The one thing is about the Black Crowes is the way I see it at fifty years old compared to how I saw it when I was twenty-two. We worked hard. We loved music. Believed in rock and roll, art, and writing. All of that sort of outsider culture appealed to me. You did it and things happened and, hopefully, you were talented and you were lucky and all of the above. But that stuff happened to us, you know what I mean? You can try all you can and you put your coin in the slot and it either comes up three cherries or whatever, right?

EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited“The one difference about where we are and what we’ve built and the kind of time and patience but also fulfillment and excitement about what the CRB is we’ve built this, you know? It might not be a lot on the outside but, for us, to start from absolutely nothing and not relying on any sort of – I didn’t put the Black Crowes on anything because it had nothing to do with that presentation or what I did in that band. I wasn’t going to ask people for their hard-earned money for something that they weren’t gonna get.

“So, on one level, it’s funny, answering the same questions every day when you’re twenty-four years old. Then, I went for years when I didn’t need to talk about anything. So, for the CRB, it’s a totally different mindset, unlimited energy and imagination and feeling about what we’re doing.”

Obviously, the Black Crowes was incredibly fulfilling to Robinson as an artist. I asked him in what different ways does the Chris Robinson Brotherhood by JayBlakesburg 02Brotherhood fulfill him.

“In one way, the Black Crowes were like marrying your high school sweetheart and then everyone changes, you know what I mean. But it’s completely different. Again, life is different. The scenarios, the people, the energy, locations. For me, I’ve just been trying to position myself however way I can; to make things. Be creative. Everything has its paradoxes and its relations to the negatives and the positives.

“So, what a unique and unbelievable opportunity to be in a band like the Black Crowes. But, it also limits you in terms of the idea of, ‘Well, no one wants to hear your new music.’ That’s kind of the idea people have with classic bands. It’s like, well, I’m just crazy enough – I love the Black Crowes music. I plan on performing it again at some point. But I also have all these other stories and all these other songs – you know, as a singer, I love to sing! So, when these songs kind of begin with my ideas – melodically and musically – and then the rest of the band take them. They’re malleable things. From point A to point B, hopefully, we can create something beautiful like a palm tree or a walrus or whatever it’s going to be.

“So, to be honest, that was the kind of relationship and magic that I was looking for as a youth. And that’s where I am, now. That’s where I feel it’s come full circle, in a sense.”

Early in our conversation, I mentioned the Allman Brothers/Grateful Dead analogy and asked Robinson if that was a fair assessment.

Chris Robinson Brotherhood by JayBlakesburg 03“Well, I think the Allman Brothers and the Grateful Dead probably listened to a lot of the same records growing up just like the Rolling Stones listened to a lot of the same records that the Beatles did. As much as music has influenced and is an inspiration – I grew up in Atlanta, Georgia, where my father was a folk singer on ABC/Paramount. I grew up in a house full of roots music. So, on one hand I think it’s a broader influence or can you find inspiration in the tradition you work in and take that and sort of turn it inside out and then find a place that’s ultimately big in the now or being in the present.

“So, I think those qualify but I do think – between all of us in the CRB there’s over a hundred years of people making records or have been on tour. I’ve been doing it thirty years and the others have been doing it twenty-five years or whatever – thirty years themselves – Adam (MacDougall) and everyone – Tony (Leone) included, and Jeff (Hill). At a certain point, you just – what becomes you becomes part of the whole. And, to me, that whole is music as a cosmic idea or a vibration.”

In describing Barefoot In The Head for fans, Chris said:

“I think it’s the natural progression of the CRB’s sonic cycle that we’re on. I don’t know. It’s a hard thing to describe. Chris Robinson Brotherhood by JayBlakesberg 0940They’re songs and they’re melodies and images and sometimes those images are musical and sometimes they’re literary. Sometimes they’re cinematic and sometimes they’re super earthy and real. Hopefully, the songwriting makes a connection and the band takes the material and presents in an interesting, dynamic way. We’re super lucky in this day and age to even have the opportunity to go into amazing studios and have this time to work and continue doing something that other people find archaic. Hopefully, listening to the record is like an awesome evening of stimulation and conversation and culture with, like, the people you love the most.”

As for how this album was different to record compared to the past projects he’s worked on, Chris said, “To me, that kind of stuff – I mean, I came in making records at the end of it all before everything was dig and the old school way. To me, it’s about integration. I mean, making records is hardly that tricky. You take your best material. You try to get your coolest sound and you get your best performance and that’s a recording session. For us it doesn’t make a difference between this record and the last record – well, one major difference was we had less time. But, also, before we went in, the idea was nobody can bring any of the gear that we’ve used on the road, you know what I mean? It’s our rigs. They sound like the CRB. That’s the guitar and the same amp that I’ve been using for hundreds and hundreds of shows for years now. I haven’t changed.

“So, this time it would be like, ‘Oh, I don’t want to play that guitar or hear that amp. We consciously, I think, went a lot more acoustic and, also, let everyone in the band stretch out. I mean, Adam plays a multitude of keyboards. Jeff got to play cello and some different stringed instruments. Neil’s playing banjo and Tony’s playing mandolin and marimbas. Neil’s playing a multitude of stringed instruments, as well. Even having the great Ali Akbar Khan’s son, Alam Khan, play sarod on the track, Glow, is like one of the highlights of being in the studio for me – of my life. Also, we didn’t have any songs completed. In fourteen days we wrote, recorded eleven new songs.”

Artists don’t like picking favorite songs because it’s like picking your favorite child. So, I asked Robinson which song would he use as a calling card for the rest of the album.

Chris Robinson Brotherhood MENDENHALL 02“I’m the worst with stuff like that because I’m so weird. You know what? To me, the song I’m kinda most proud of – the song that I really think is the – I don’t know. In one way, I guess it would be “She Shares My Blanket,” which is the second track on the record. A flimsy attempt at a Robert Altman-esque romance or something. And, in a weird way, my dark horse song that I really love is ‘Hark The Harold Hermit Speaks.’ I think it’s indicative of – it has the genetic building blocks that makes our band but in a totally different sequence. It’s a the muta.”

Because I personally like, If You Had A Heart To Break, I asked Chris the story behind that song.

“You know, it’s funny. Neal is the one in our band who – on the last record, it was a song called Sweet Lullaby. No matter what we’re doing, once or twice a year I’ll sit down and write a sad kind of country song and that song was really like a country song. But that didn’t really fit us – the way I was playing it in my mind. So, I kind of brushed off some of it and Neal was really into it. He said, ‘You need to finish that.’

“So, I put a little elbow grease in it. Yeah, you know, I love a good, sad, bitter, love song – country song. I think of them as stories, these songs. They’re scenes, in a way. How you juxtapose them or place them over something or vice versa, that’s what it is. That kind of vague description hopefully benefits the emotional response that people have by having their own relationship to the words.”

Responding to my question as to whether the CRB has performed any of the tunes from the new CD yet (and what the response has been, so far), Robinson said “Yeah, yeah. Well, the whole thing has started to morph into this – the shortest song on the record will now probably be nine minutes but the time we get on tour. We played ‘High Is Not The Top’ a couple of times on the last run. We played ‘Blue Star Woman’ a little bit. Yeah, I think there’s some songs on this record that – a song like ‘Glow’ I don’t really know if that’s a song we try to add. I mean, we have some of those kinds of pieces. Hopefully, some of these dog eat songs – maybe a little more conceptual.

“That was kind of the other idea, too: We don’t have to make a record that we feel that we have to play every track every night. We could make some other statements, you know? They’re there to share.”

And the response?

“I think it’s been awesome. Like anything else, songs change tour to tour. The little differences. Then we find little things. Everyone finds their paths. Usually by the time you find your path, we realize we’re in the wilderness again so we kind of start all over. If you’re into that kind of thing it’s an excellent thing.”

As for what can fans expect from this tour, Chris said, ““We’ll keep what we’re doing. I think the more we keep our head down and just concentrate on this music – our scene grows every year. Knoxville is a great example. The first time we played, not that many people. The next three times, it’s like there’s always another one hundred, two hundred more people – another two hundred and fifty people. Like I said, I don’t think we have to beat anyone over the head. It’s not the average jam band experience and it’s not the average rock and roll experience and it’s not this and it’s not that. I think you just have to come see if it’s something that works for you - if you like the sound.

“I’m really proud of the scene that’s around us. Our audience and the people that come to see us is super kind, welcoming place, do you know what I mean? I know that in the jam band scene, a lot of parties have been going on. Panic. Phish. String Cheese. Whatever. Those bands are all great bands and their scenes are huge. So, we have our party going on, too. It’s just a lot smaller.”

I asked Robinson what was on his radar for the next year and the next five years.

“We’ve written a lot of songs the last fourteen, fifteen, sixteen months. We’re just ready to tour and with the record out – and there’s another Betty’s Blend she’s working on. There’s plans for us to go to Japan early next year and go back to Europe and do Australia, New Zealand and we just want to keep playing.

“The other reality is the only way people can really know what it’s about and be a part of it is to come see you. And we get the most out of it, too. That’s one thing, we’ve all be through a lot of scenes and scenarios and bands and ups and downs. But, at the end of the day, musicians want to play and that’s what’s happening and that’s what we want to do.

“We have a little bit of time off. I have a solo show here in San Francisco in a couple of weeks. I’ve been playing some gigs around here. I’ve been lucky enough to have Terrapin Crossroads – which is Phil Lesh’s venue – that’s been going on for a while. I play with Phil. I have my own nights to jam with whoever. You know, here in the Bay Area, live music is what people like to do with free time.”

With some time left in the interview, I shifted gears by asking if Chris thought that the music industry is broken and, if so, what would he do to fix it.

“Is it broken or is it crash-landed somewhere and we’re taking parts off of the mother craft to survive in a hostile environment? To me, it’s awesome. To me, there’s a place for the independent person to work now. You said we made six records in the CRB and not one asshole from a record company has walked through the door and told us the bass is too loud or that he didn’t like that chorus, you know what I mean? That was something I always found hard to stomach as a young man. And, as an old man – or an older man – I’m definitely not going back to that.

Chris Robinson Brotherhood MENDENHALL 01a“Without the music business being the way it is – if you’re a part of it and you’re in the system and you own the labels and you’re listening to those people and you’re in the producer-driven, kiddie music business, then that’s good. Fame! Money! Yay! That’s cool! I’m into this for completely other things. If you’re creative and have good ideas and you have something to say and people want to hear it with your music, then this is a great time!

“Think about it, man! No one’s doing anything! It’s the best time to do something! I travel around America and kids have nothing to do except play video games. I’m, like, ‘Dude, there’s still bands and records.’ You know what I mean? You don’t need to be on TV. You don’t have to have anything happening. You just need friends that care about the same stuff you like and, then, you’ll see how that changes everything.”

Wrapping up our chat, I asked Chris how he wanted to be remembered and what he hoped his legacy would be.

“Oh, my word. I’m the Draymond Green of rock and roll. I’m sorry, man. We have the best basketball team in the world six miles from my house! I never thought about that. I mean, I would hope that the songs would speak for themselves. I dedicated my heart and soul to the muse. For better and for worse – my opinions notwithstanding about how much I love music – it would be nice – in that pantheon of people who dedicated their lives to their muse – I would like to be put in there. I don’t know what that means except – life is beautiful and strange and sad and there’s loss and there’s hope and there’s madness and, at the end of the day, I’ve been lucky enough to experience all that stuff through the lens of music. As a dyslectic, weirdo kid from Atlanta, I just see it as a gift.”

Ruthie Foster

Posted July 2017

RuthieFoster001 cropped 3Rarely does an artist grab one’s attention right out of the musical chute. Sometimes, their music must grow on you. Other times, you’ll love some aspects of their work but other parts turn you off.

In the case of Texas born and bred Ruthie Foster, her voice, musicianship and songwriting mastery will grab you from the git go and won’t let you go. Such is the case with Ruthie Foster. To say that the woman has the voice of an angel my sound a bit hokey but it would, in fact, be an understatement.

Her amazing talent has placed her on stage with the Allman Brothers as well as singing with such greats as Bonnie Raitt and Susan Tedeschi.  The accolades and awards she’s received aren’t too shabby, either. She’s received the Living Blues Critic’s Award for Female Blues Artist of the Year, the Grand Prix du Disque award from the Académie Charles-Cros in France, seven Blues Music Awards, and three Austin Music Awards.

Not too shabby.EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited

I caught up with Ruthie while she was on tour. She’d literally just stepped off the hotel elevator and walking into her hotel room when I called. After she got settled in and caught her breath, I asked about her church related musical background and influences while growing up in Gause, Texas.

 “Well, it was Baptist – the Missionary Baptist Church. The artists that I did a lot of were Dorothy Norwood on guitar, a lot of

Andre Crouch. So, yeah, that was the stuff that I was listening to growing up. And, of course, the staple songs that come out of the church. We had a youth choir, I guess you could call it, that would take the songs and spin ‘em around, which is really where a lot of that comes from when I do that on my own albums. Just take a song and put a little spin on it so that it doesn’t sound old timey. Try to give it a little something.

“We would take songs like Pass Me Not Oh Gentle Savior and speed it up a little bit and give it a little guitar riff. We’d push the limits as far as we could go with the sisters in the church. They kinda liked it, though. They were glad to see us involved in the church. We made it fun because we were there all the time. I grew up with a lot of cousins and we were always involved with the church, whether it was helping keep it clean, keeping the graveyard clean, or just cleaning the church, even. I was always there – choir practice on Wednesdays. It was just down the road from my grandmother’s where I spent a lot of my summers and a lot of my time. It was just another house. It was our other house. Yeah, very much part of the family.”

I was curious as to what or whom had pushed her towards playing the guitar.

RuthieFoster002“I grew up watching a lot of TV and it was during that time when everybody had a variety show. I remember watching the Glen Campbell Show, The Carol Burnett Show, Midnight Special Olivia Newton-John had a show for a minute and I loved that. The Mac Davis Show. A lot of these people were musicians that played guitar. I just thought that that was the coolest thing to play guitar. Plus, it’s portable. So, I could do that to bring something different to the gospel music I was doing as a kid, traveling from church to church. I had played piano but bringing a guitar, that was something really different. And, it kind of opened me up to different types of churches. The Church of God in Christ, they were more contemporary instruments that they would use. And what we called, ‘Holiness Churches,’ that’s where any instruments were used. It really opened up my world to going to being in a different type of denomination when it came to playing the songs that I did. So, I loved that! I played piano, but guitar became my mainstay because it was something really different.”

If you haven’t heard Ruthie’s latest CD, Joy Comes Back, do. Order it now. It’s that good.  I asked Ms. Foster why she chose that title for the disc.

“Well, it was the title of one of the songs on the CD. We looked through them all and thought, ‘Well, this one pretty much says it all’ because this CD came about in the middle of a big transition. My personal life was changing. I was moving out of a long-term relationship and trying to figure out how to co-parent a small one in a respectful way. Turning into my fifties, getting well into my fifties, that was a big transition, has been. Turned fifty-three a few weeks ago. That was the age that my mother passed. So, getting to that age was something really different.

“And, quite frankly, I was really working a lot on the road and I needed a break from recording. I didn’t spend much time in the studio all at once to make this record. I kinda went in when I was actually rested. That way, I was able to find my joy, if you will, in recording again. It didn’t feel like, ‘Well, it’s time to make another CD.’ I was able to do it in my own time. I paid for it myself, the recording part of it. I felt more in control of what I wanted to do on this record. Not to say that I never had control, I just felt more in it even though I didn’t write much for it. I did write a lot but a lot of the songs I had, I wasn’t ready to share that just yet.

RuthieFoster003“Dan and myself just had a pow wow and decided to put the one about opening up to a new relationship on the CD because that was part of my transition: coming out of a relationship; being single – learning how to do that, again. And, then, meeting someone I really wanted to be close to – a really, really delicate part of my life. Learning how to navigate around that and having a kid and having an ex – all of that.

“I had some difficult times but I had music and I had this studio, this little, tiny studio that Dan had around the corner and I just kind of found my way back to music, to recording, to being okay with where everything landed and where everybody landed, and my personal life, and just my own journey, being in my fifties and all.”

Ruthie shared about the process of putting together Joy Comes Back.

“It took about two and a half years to do because I didn’t sit down in one week and just record. I really took my time with it. On a few days when I thought I was ready to record, Dan knew enough about me to just hold that space for me and let me just kind of sit and drink coffee and watch funny videos for a while so I could come down from being on the road. So, it took a while. I didn’t go into it ready, I really didn’t, to record. I spent a lot of time just doing side work – as a background vocalist or doing commercials that he (Dan) was working on. It gives a chance to meet a lot of side guys – side men like Joe Vitale, the drummer on this album, was working on another project when I met him. We met at the studio. He was working for someone else.

“So, it gave me a chance to kinda be a musician and be a listener. I did a lot of listening to a lot of different songs and RuthieFoster004different types of genres. So, yeah, it took a while – about two and a half years. And, this was different because, I guess, because of that. I took my time with it. I didn’t write it and I do get a little beef about that sometimes but I’m over it. You know? When a song – when it just says what I want it to say, there’s just no reason to not re-record these tunes. They were done so well! Like the two written by Grace Pettis who happens to be the daughter of somebody I actually toured with. I toured with Pierce Pettis for a while – a few shows in Texas, anyway. So, first of all, getting the chance to see Grace, again. I had met her a few years ago and see how her songwriting has just come full-blossom was exciting to me! And to even to hopefully be a part of her career as it grows and to honor her writing, that was just huge for me to be able to do.”

When asked which song would she use as a calling card, so to speak, to entice them to purchase the CD, Ruthie said:

“Hmmmm. Probably War Pigs just because it’s different. Ha! Ha! My version! A lot of them, really. Good Sailor that was written by Grace because that, again, is saying what I wanted to say. Working Woman is another great one. That’s my Phenomenal Woman. It’s the new version of woman power. Yeah, those are the ones that stick out.”

Since Ruthie revealed that the CD is revealing and introspective, I asked which song was the most personal to her.

RuthieFoster005“Oooh. Probably Forgiven - the last cut - because it really started with that song. Dan asked me to go along with him when The Weepies came to town to play there in Austin. I’ve been a big fan of theirs. I didn’t even know that they were on the road. So, we went to go see them and had a great time at that concert. I met up with Dan a few days later and he let me hear this song because he’s a good friend of Deb Talen.

This song just floored me. He put this song on and by the end of it, I was in tears because it said exactly where I was. This is the song that started the whole recording process for me. Up to that point, I was just in his studio doing backup work. But, then, it occurred to me that that was where I was in my life – with my personal life. It was just time to let go and just gently move out of the dark side of it all. I pushed myself to just go through it. I tried to go around it. I tried to close the door and avoid it. But I just gently pushed myself through it. That song is exactly that.

“That song has a way of opening up – it had a way of opening up my spirit and touch me in a way that I didn’t expect at all. So, it kinda started with Forgiven. Learning how to forgive myself. All the shame and blame that goes along with leaving a relationship – especially with a kid involved. It was HUGE.”

When I offered that one finds out who their true friends are in situations like a divorce, she said, “Yeah, you find out who – I had friends who held me up. They definitely kept me up right. That’s very true.”

The compelling question that was weighing heavily on my mind and I was dying to ask was what made Ms. Foster choose to RuthieFoster006cover the Black Sabbath classic, War Pigs. Don’t get me wrong. She does an amazing, bluesy, acoustic version of the tune that won’t let you go. I just couldn’t get my head around what provoked her to cover that song and what would the ladies back at her childhood church think about her singing it.

“Ha! Ha! It’s not a statement at all for me. I always thought the song was a blues song to me. It’s like, what would it be like if Son House was in a room somewhere with his resonator and stompin’ the floor and doing what he does with that big, booming voice and just sing it and Ozzy walked in and they decided to just sit down and have a little acoustical moment. I just thought the song really needed that. Throw it down. Let that melody in how it starts really ring out. I happened to have the resonator on. I think that I had just done Richland Woman Blues. I’d been sitting on the idea but I put my slide on and asked Dan to roll some tape because this could be fun. And it turned out that it really worked. We stocked the tape, set up the mics, and recorded it for real. It really was an experiment. It was something that was in my head. The idea was in my head – just seeing if it would even work or just fun. And, what it says, I found it interesting because it’s pretty much right on time, too, as far as what it’s talking about. For whatever it’s worth, hopefully that song – I can do my part in putting it back out there and letting folks realize that the song is very relevant, even now. Very interesting.”

As for what she hopes people take away from Joy Comes Back, Ruthie said:

“That this is my journey and that I am a real person even though I do these kinds of inspirational songs and I know that a lot of our shows are very uplifting. But, at the same time, I want folks to know that, yeah, I’ve been there and I’ve been there recently and had to re-learn to get myself back up again. If anything, to give people permission – it’s okay, it’s okay to be down. But the deal is to surround yourself with true friends, first of all, and know that time is huge healer. And that time, plus music, is a beautiful thing! Keep music in your life. I think it’s really important.”

Looking ahead, Ruthie shared what is on her radar for the next year to five years.

“Mmmmm. Goodness gracious! Well, watch my baby girl grow up and come up with more exciting costumes for Halloween that blow her away. Every year’s a challenge. I hope to keep recording because I’m finding my love for that, again. I like travelling. I would like to get to where I’m actually doing more work within communities that I’m visiting and actually get a chance to visit with people when I’m there. That means less shows and more time really engaging with schools and all that. I’m fine with that. I hope to become more of a teacher because I’m learning a lot. That’s the best way to learn is to teach through my music. That may just be to keep doing what I’ve been doing. I’m cool with that.”

As we wrapped up our chat, I asked Ms. Foster how she wanted to be remembered and what she hoped her legacy would be.

RuthieFoster007Yeah, that’s really close to what I just said. I want to make every day count. I want to be remembered for putting out the healing aspect of music can do for you. Just reminding people that music can heal in any situation – whether it’s my music or someone else’s. I just think it’s really, really important. And these are things that I’ve learned over the years with being able to have conversations with folks like Pete Seeger and Odetta and Peter Yarrow – people who’ve been there when music was a huge part of change within the government. These people stood up and put their own careers on the line in order to be a part of that change with what they do and that was music. That says a lot – so the rest of us can get out here and sing songs like Phenomenal Woman and Working Woman and just be true to who we are. We’ve had these people come before us and they stood up for change and they used their music – they threw down a gauntlet through song and voice. That’s a beautiful thing.

“So, yeah, just that folks remember that music has played a huge part in our history and our culture – in any culture, and that starts healing.”

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