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Jonathan Cain - Don't Stop Believin'

Posted May 2018

Jonathan Cain Cropped 2Quick: Who can tell me what the best-selling digital track from the 20thcentury was?

No cheating. 

Well, if you cheated and looked it up on the internet, you’d probably see that Wikipedia has indicated that it is Journey’s “Don’t Stop Believin’” with over seven million copies sold in the U.S. alone.

Co-written by Journey guys Steve Perry, Neal Schon, and Jonathan Cain, the tune immediately inspires and motivates whenever and wherever it’s heard. It’s not at all a stretch to say that it’s become an anthem to many.

I first had the privilege of interviewing co-writer, Jonathan Cain, seven years ago (here). At that time, we talked about the band, their then-soon-to-be-released album, Eclipse, and a memoir that he was working on.

Fast-forward seven years.

The memoir, Don’t Stop Believin’, was recently completed and it was about that book that I was given yet another amazing opportunity to chat with Cain. After weeks of trying to get our schedules coordinated, he was kind enough to squeeze in some time to chat with me just before he headed out to church with his wife of three years, Reverend Paula White

Since our time to chat was short, I cut right to the chase by mentioning that I remembered him talking about working on his book and wondered if he felt about the finished product. 

“Yeah, it’s been quite a journey – no ‘pin intunded’ – it really has been a journey. I learned a lot. I must’ve re-wrote this book ten times, you know? But, really, getting into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame changed my whole focus. From the lens of that, it was easy to look back and see how to tell the story. I think that really needed to happen before the book could come together the way it came.”

When I asked if he had to do a lot of re-writing, he shot back:

“Yes, sir! A lot of re-writing. Once I got the new outline and I sat down with some really great editors from the Zondervan group, we went to it. They were very comfortable and understanding in what I was trying to do and what we wanted to accomplish with the outline and structure of how we wanted to tell the tale; the most effective way to take a listener on that sort of journey I was on and still am. Ha! Ha!”

I asked what he hoped people would take away from the book when they finished reading it.

“You know, I hope it gives them a sense of – they get confidence. They get hope. You have to continue to walk because you may have a good season and make a million dollars. That doesn’t mean anything. This seeking – you can always be better. I feel that there’s always a way to improve. I kept looking and searching for ways I could get better and be more affective. I learned how to engineer my own records, write my own songs, and became very independent. But that took a lot of work. 

DSB final1“Eventually, I learned how to tell my own story, which took a lot of work. Just because you can write a song doesn’t mean you’re cut out to be a writer. I learned where my voice was at. I learned a lot about grammar. It was like going back to school, again, really. I always sort of rambled on at school when I was writing. When I took English, I had a teacher who reminded me to ‘stay within the outline, Jon!’ I can still remember the teacher’s name who was so encouraging; encouraged me to continue to write. I ended up being the editor of our newspaper. I had actually been accepted into Northwestern University in the School of Journalism. I’ve often wondered what my life would’ve been like had I went that route. 

“But all that just goes to when I wanted to write songs, I focused in on that early on. I realized I wasn’t going to be a virtuoso. But, I think in the end, it’s confidence, perseverance, it takes work to get somewhere. Just because you think you got somewhere doesn’t mean that’s the end result, as my father said. It’s just a stepping stone. That was his big line: ‘It’s only a stepping stone.’ I’m, like, ‘Dad, how far do I have to go to prove it to you,’ and he’d go, ‘I’ll tell you when you get it.’

“When Journey came along, he looked at me and said, ‘That’s what I said. That’s what I meant. That’s what I mean.’ Pretty cool, Dad. That’s why I dedicate the book to him. 

“It’s also, I hope all the young fathers out there take note and pay attention to the gifts your child has the way my dad did and lift them up in those areas they’re excelling in and recognize it. Give them confidence it’s possible.” 

Cain makes it crystal clear in Don’t Stop Believin’ that his dad was a huge influence and encourager to him. I asked him how he thought his dad would feel about the book.

“It is a legacy of our family; of the generations that he was part of. He brought me to the fiddle with my grandfather and it turns out that my great grandfather played the violin. My uncles played. So, that legacy that he shared is well represented in the book. I’m only a part of him so I think he would be very happy with it.”

During our first chat, Jonathan talked a bit about the infamous Our Lady of the Angels school fire back in 1958 when he was an eight-year-old student at the school. Tragically, ninety-five people perished in that (ninety-two kids and three nuns). It was clear in the first interview that the fire still scarred Cain. In reading the book, he clearly articulates his thoughts and feelings about that tragic day. I asked him if writing about it was cathartic for him.

“You kind of understand it and accept how it changes your life; how out of pain something new is born. It’s in the Bible. There’s a Scripture that says, ‘Out of pain something new is born’ (Isaiah 66:9). That’s exactly what happened. There was a fire – a different kind of fire, if you will – that my father planted in me that was one of desire and not of destruction and death and sadness and sorry. And it’s like, ‘Here, learn this way. I got a plan.’ The Lord showed me it. What are you going to do, you know?

“I think out of the ashes God can do something beautiful. I think that is the message of life, you know? These ashes will be turned for good. ‘They’ll be something good, Jon, come out of this.’ I just had to believe it, wait, pray, work, focus, and win when I could. And it wasn’t always easy.”

In Cain’s book, he mentioned an acquaintance of mine: renowned concert promoter and fellow Chicagoan, Danny Zelisko, Ministering to others 9780310351344who had this to say about the Journey keyboardist, whom he’s known for a lot of years and whether or not he’s changed:

“Well, I don’t know that he’s changed. To me, he’s pretty much the same guy he’s always been. We met originally – I did a show with his ex-wife. He was in Journey, but I wasn’t promoting Journey, yet, because there was another promoter that had the booking relationship with the band. Their old agency asked me to do a date with his wife. We did it at a place called in Tempe (AZ). I think it was called, ‘After The Gold Rush’. It used to be Dooley’s. 

“We got on real well. God, I think I met him when he was with the Babys. I don’t think we got into anything, then. But, anyway, he grew up not far away from where I grew up in Illinois. We shared a lot of Chicago stuff. We’ve always gotten on real well. His mom was my – she’s dead, now – but she was my daughter’s godmother. He bought them a place not too far away from where I live. At one point, he asked me to help his dad get a job out here because they had to move because his mom was sick. Through a guy I knew at the New Times, I got him a job. They moved out here. She looked after my daughter all the time, his mom. Very, very much family stuff. Not your typical seeing a rock star whenever he comes to town or when you do a show with him. He was in and out of Phoenix all the time because of his folks living her and his brother also lived here. He’s always been a really good friend to me.

“It was interesting, when they decided to get back together and have a new singer, I don’t think they really knew at the time how many other groups would follow and do the same thing. People like to think that there’s no replacing certain members of a band but here’s a classic example of proving it wrong.”

Jonathan had this to say about Danny:

“Oh my god! He became part of the family! He settled my parents in Phoenix. He found them a condo. He’s almost like a brother. He’s an only child – he may have a sister – but we became brothers, in a way, and I still consider him my Chicago brother. I treated him to the World Series last year. We just had a blast.”

Since we last spoke, Jonathan’s spiritual walk seems to be much more prominent and devout. I asked him what would he like fans to know about that walk?

“I want people to know you are worth. I want fans to know this isn’t about religion. God isn’t about religion. It’s about the light and the hope and the love. He’s not an angry god. He’s not a judging god. He’s a good god. You can always return. 

“I guess I went off line when I kinda stumbled. I couldn’t find a way back. I didn’t know how to get back. I was kinda just stuck. I think when I met Paula (Pastor Paula White, who is now Jon’s wife), she saw something. She saw that desire. Being a pastor, she said, ‘There’s a light on you. You’ve been running and it’s time to stop running.’ I did! My question for her was is it possible to have the love of Christ I had when I was seven years old. Is it possible? She seemed to think it was with prayer, with repentance and sacrifice and work, I can get back there and be the kind of guy that my father raised; that my father would be proud of. He loved Jesus Christ with all his heart. A pray-er and a proud man. I want to go out like him. I want to go out with the love of Christ and to be a disciple; to be a game-changer and kingdom builder; and to leave a legacy to him because of the way my father loved the Lord.

“So, my point is that it’s never too late to return. He’s always there for you. He’s been there in the background. I tell people it’s like He’s pays for the suite that you’re in; he makes sure you got room service; He makes sure your room’s clean; and you just thank Him. He pays all the bills. 

“Just thank Him. Tell Him you love Him. Every day. It’s got to be every day. It’s gotta be every hour. I’m constantly thinking about the Lord and the goodness that He’s brought to my life. Just the miracles that I’ve seen happen. The book is a miracle! I gave up on that thing. I was just at the end of it with it. It was like, ‘Just try again, Jon. Something’s out there.’ It’s almost like my dad telling me, ‘Don’t stop believin’’ – one of those deals. So, I did, and I made the right phone calls and I had the right people around me. The lawyers queued together on this thing. 

Me moment onstage 9780310351344“Man! Wait until you hear the audio book! It’s like nothing you’ve ever heard because I’d written these autobiographical songs all these years and it came out on an album and I don’t think anybody knew what to do with it. Now, with this book out, they all matter big time. I’m putting out a CD, as well. There’ll be a CD that goes with the book on iTunes. It’s called, ‘The Songs You Leave Behind’ which is the theme of the book. It’s in the audio book. Of course, it’s what I want the readers to go away with.

“They say, ‘Well, what’s the take-away from writing that book?’ I wrote the song. It’s all I know how to do is put it in words and I think it came out pretty darn good.’”

Right after the release of Don’t Stop Believin’, Cain will hit the road with Journey for a monster tour with none other than Def Leppard. I asked him what fans could expect from those shows.

 “A lot of energy! We don’t mess around. With Def Leppard is on the same bill, this band’s gonna rock! It’s gonna rock hard! It’s gonna be a great set!”

As I’ve begun asking other artists of his stature since I last spoke with him, I asked Jonathan how he wanted to be remembered and what did he hope his legacy will be.

“I want to be remembered as the guy who wrote the songs that helped people dream; that helped people stay in love; that helped people have a positive effect on their life. I was the soundtrack to a lot of people’s growin’ up years. I think I was part of a musical movement that was unique; had its own sound; had its own style. I was faithful to it. I put in the time and that’s what this book sums up. It sums up the whole the ‘thank you’ to all of the people who made us who we are today. That’s all. Just a grateful, creative guy who loved his kids; who loved God; loved his wife; loved his music.”

And what’s on Cain’s radar for the next couple of years?

“I’ve got another Christian album in the works. Who knows with Journey? We might kick around some songs. Maybe get to recording something, you know? I’ve got some ideas that I’ve been sketching out. I don’t know. I’m just going to let the Lord take me there. 

“I know with this Christian album, I want to do more stuff in that arena. Work on getting my voice right. Just focus in on being the best praise and worship leader I can be. I’ll be reaching out. I just wrote the title track last week. I’m going to call it, ‘Unleashed’. It’s got some warfare. It’s got a little bit of everything. It’s gone to the next level of my worship. It’s very cinematic and bold.”

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Tommy Emmanuel Talks About "Accomplice One"

Posted April 2018


Tommy Emmanuel Photo 1aTommy Emmanuel and Boomerocity have a special relationship that goes back seven years when a friend and reader first turned us on to the Australian guitar virtuoso. Boomerocity became instant fans of the man’s work and performances and have been telling everyone who will listen that they should check this guy out.

It had been a couple of years since we last chatted with Tommy and with his upcoming April 27th show at the historic Tennessee Theatre, I felt now was a good time to catch up on news.

I caught up with Tommy to talk about that upcoming show as well as the others on the tour as well as his new CD, Accomplice One. We chatted by phone while he was vacationing in California.

“I’m in sunny California right now. No smog. Clear as a bell. Cold breeze but warm sun. I’m spending some time with my baby daughter.

“She was born January 6th, 2015. She’s so smart! Into just everything! Loves music. Sings along with everything. I sit and play for her. She calls the tunes. ‘Daddy, play Angelina. Daddy, play Halfway Home. Daddy, play–‘ She knows all the songs. Her favorite song is the one I wrote for her called ‘Rachel’s Lullaby’. That’s what she likes. ‘Play Rachel’s Lullaby, Daddy!’ And I play it!

“I’ve got a 30-year-old, as well. She married and lives England. And Angelina, my middle daughter, she’s nineteen. She’s in the UK. She’s an English citizen. My daughter, Amanda, was born in Sidney but because she married an English guy, I think she’s got an English passport, now.”

Regarding the Knoxville show, he shared:

“We’re coming back to the Tennessee Theater. One of my favorites. We kinda mix it up. The last time, I did two nights at the Bijou, which was nice, but the Tennessee was my ideal place. That’s what I was aiming at, you know? It’s a special place, there’s no doubt about it. It’s made extra special by the fact that my dressing has Chet Atkins’ name on the door. It’s Chet Atkins’ dressing room. It’s always good to call in the master’s voice.

“There’s beautiful theaters like that all-around America. The Fox Theaters, everywhere, were always the elite theater. The best place to play. But, of course, me playing in Knoxville is like coming home to me because it’s really where I started in America with the Chet Atkins Appreciation Society.

“We started in a little place called Ossoli Circle which was, basically, a lady’s bridge club. We got a little stage there and some seats. That’s where I started there.

“I used to go out there to Luttrell (Tennessee) to see where Chet was born and where he was from and visit some of the folksEverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited that lived next door and all that. It was a bit of a pilgrimage for me when I was young. And, then, to play in Knoxville was a great feeling because I felt like my life was coming full circle, almost, you know? I played the guitar because I loved the music that came out of that area and now I’m back there playing it.

“The same thing when I go to Kentucky. I play some Merle Travis tunes. It’s a great feeling because it’s like the music came all the way to Australia and I brought it back.”

I asked Tommy where he liked playing in Kentucky.

“Oh! Louisville, Lexington, Frankfurt, E-Town (Elizabethtown). I play a lot of places in Kentucky. Of course, every now and again I get a chance to go to Middleburg and Central City and places like that and pay homage to the Everly’s and to Travis.”

Boomerocity LOVES the new album, Accomplice One – especially his cover of Purple Haze. I asked Emmanuel about the LP.

“First of all, it’s called “Accomplice One”, which might give you a hint that I did a lot more recording than is just on that one record. With each of the artists, with the exception of Mark Knopfler, just about every one of the other artists and I recorded more than one song. I figured that we might have an Accomplice Two down the road with some of the same people but mix it up with some different people, too. I’ve already got people like Allison Krause organized to be on the next album. So, that’s fun!

“Basically, I wanted to do an album of, mostly, Americana/Bluegrass sounding music because that’s the music of my roots and my raising. And I also wanted the album to be absolute live in the studio kind of thing. I didn’t want people to be mailing in their part sort of thing. I wanted us all to be playing together each time I got an artist in the studio. We sat and worked out what we were going to do. Then we set up mics and we played is as if we were on the stage. That’s why the music sounds so fresh, I think, is because there was no laboring over stuff. There was capturing the performance and that’s what I love about recording . . . and another reason why I called the people that I called – because they’re on the same level. You sit down with Jerry Douglas and start running a tune and, all of a sudden, he’s got the arrangement remembered; he’s embellishing; he’s soloing. He’s just a great, all-around musician. That’s the kind of people I want to work with because it’s so exciting.

“Jerry came in on another track, which was a ballad that I had written. He nailed it and got it really beautiful and took the melody and all that sort of stuff.

“And, then, we had about an hour left before our studio time was up and I said, ‘Do you want to have a go at Purple Haze?’ and he said, ‘Hell, yeah!’

“I played a bit of it for him and he joined in and he said, ‘Let’s not rehearse it. Let’s just play it.’ So, we did and that’s the track. We only played it once.”

When I asked Tommy what was it about that song that made him think of it, he said:

“Well, I just thought it was the most unexpected thing: acoustic guitar and dobro playing Purple Haze. You would just never imagine that. Jerry said, ‘This will really tick off all the bluegrass purist against me and I’m okay about that.’ It was just an experience and an experiment, and it worked really well.

“Now, as far as tracks like I did with Jason Isbell, Deep River Blues: he was the right choice for that because he’s from Tommy Emmanuel Photo 1Muscle Shoals. He’s got that sound when he sings. It’s so relaxing. It’s such a relaxed sounding way of singing. I just love his voice, too. He’s the right choice for that.

“And his wife, Amanda Shires, will be at the Tennessee Theatre with me. Her and I did a cover of Madonna’s ‘Borderline’. Again, I chose that because she can carry that off. She can sing in that way – almost like a young Dolly Parton. She plays the fiddle great and all that and I just thought it was something unusual to do. It might grab the attention of radio and people who listen to radio. That was what I was trying to achieve there.

“The cut with Ricky Skaggs: I taught him a song – he’d never heard it before and in five minutes he owned it. Ricky’s such a good singer. And, of course, the track with Mark Knopfler: that was Mark’s song and he taught it to me in five minutes. We did the same thing. We just sat there in front of the microphones and played live. That’s the recording. I was at his studio a total of one hour and I had the finished master in my hand. It’s been really great.

“The Django Reinhardt track, Djangology, that I did with Frank Vignola and Vinny Raniolo: that was done with an audience, live in the studio and the audience were our students. We were teaching the first-ever guitar camp in Havana, Cuba, last year. The lesson for the day that day was everybody came into the studio and we seated eighty-five students in the orchestral room. Then, we proceeded to arrange Djangology for three guitars. Each one of us worked out a part that would harmonize with the other and we showed them how we did that. Then, we put it all together. Musically, it sounded really nice.

“We set up mics and said, ‘Okay, everybody, quiet as we can. We’re going to record it, now.’ So, we recorded it with eighty-five kids sitting in front of us. It’s just a great way of doing stuff.

“This album has so many quirky things going on with it. I think that’s why people like it. It doesn’t sound contrived or overproduced, you know? Everything’s just real instruments; real people; real microphones; and that’s it.”

Does Tommy feel that he’s moving more into the American direction?

“Well, it’s my favorite kind of music and I think it’s what I play best. I’ve had a go at jazz albums. I’ve had a go at rock albums and all that sort of stuff. I think this is the kind of music that’s in my blood. I can find a lot good songs in that genre that I enjoy playing and singing. I think it’s a great chance to collaborate with some real talent from this country, you know?

Tommy Emmanuel Photo 2“David Grisman, Brian Sutton, and I recorded six songs together that morning. I think they were all one take because guys at that level are so ‘on’ when they play that you just gotta capture it. You don’t need to be stopping and starting again. They can play it right every time.”

Tommy’s very good at reaching out and bringing in talent that people may not have heard of. He recently toured with another great guitarist that Joe Bonamassa turned me on to a few years ago: J.D. Simo. I asked Emmanuel how that tour went and there will be future tours together.

“I’m bringing J.D. to England with me next year because he’s well respected and loved in Europe and England. We’re going to tour together next year over there. The American tour was mostly in California and it was really wonderful. He just played on his own. Then he and I did ‘Dock on the Bay’ and a couple of other instrumental tunes. He just tore it up!

“J.D.’s a great talent. For that kind of fast, bluegrass tune, ‘Wheelin’ and Dealin’’, that’s on the album where he’s playing electric (guitar), I could’ve had Brent Mason or James Burton or Albert Lee – I could’ve had any of those guys play on that track and they would’ve done an amazing job. But J.D.’s more rock and blues so he’s kind of country/chicken pickin’ style is different. It’s definitely not predictable so I wanted him to have a chance at that track and he sure brought it home, that’s for sure!

“There are some videos on YouTube, if you want to see them. I think somebody filmed us at Great American Music Hall in San Francisco. There’s some videos from that.”

I asked Tommy to tell me about the tour – especially the one that stops here in Knoxville – which includes Amanda Shires – and what fans can expect.

“Obviously, I’m going to be playing a lot of new stuff from ‘Accomplice’ and Amanda and I will do ‘Borderline’ and there’ll probably be something else. We’ll have to work that out. She’s going to showcase a lot of her new songs because she’s got a great, new album coming out. I’m going to play stuff from right through my whole career, really. I’m going to take everybody back to the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties – like that, you know? I’ll have that show all together.

“I’m about to go to Europe next week and the first show is in Germany. I’ll have the whole show mapped out by the time I get back.”

When I asked Emmanuel what was on his radar for the next year or so, it was obvious that he’s as busy as ever.

“I’ve got March in Europe and Scandinavia. Then, April is America. May is England and Scotland. I’m doing a camp in Tommy Emmanuel Photo 3Scotland, up in the Highlands. June, I’m back recording some stuff. July is some dates here at the Chet Atkins convention and my guitar camp in Memphis. August/September will be in Australia and South Africa. October is Italy, I think. Jerry Douglas is doing that tour with me. November will be France and Clive Carroll – the guy who plays the Irish tunes with me on the album – Clive’s doing that tour. Then, December, I’m back here in America for Christmas.

“The last three years, I did Christmas tours. I’m not doing Christmas tours this year. But, I’ll do some solo shows and I’ll slip some Christmas music in there, of course!”

Boomerocity has said it before and we’ll say it again: If you’ve never seen Tommy Emmanuel in concert, you are truly missing out on a real musical treat. Keep up with the latest on him – including his tour schedule – at

Alice Cooper Being His Normal Paranormal Self

Posted March 2018

As a pre-teen growing up in Phoenix, Arizona, my only real exposure to rock and roll was whatever Elvis music my parents listened to and the Rolling Stones records my cousin (and now business partner) had in the spare room of my paternal grandparents’ house.

Alice Cooper Paranormal press pictures print copyright earMUSIC credit Rob Fenn 1Photo by Rob FennAs I crawled into Junior High, some of my friends turned me on to the Allman Brothers, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, and a few others. Somehow or other, even the Osmond Brothers creeped into the mix.

Don’t laugh.

Back to my baptism into rock and roll.

While in eighth grade, the fad was for us to bring battery operated cassette players to school (not Walkman size. Much bigger) and listen to the latest cassettes we’d bought or borrowed.

One night, I was at a friend’s house and he started playing this new tape he’d just bought. It was by some band called “Alice Cooper”. As I recall (and as luck would have it), the first song I heard from that tape was “Sick Things”. It creeped me to the deepest part of my pre-pubescent being. THEN, two songs later, “I Love the Dead”.

I was convinced that I was listening to the voice of the devil himself. EverythingKnoxvilleLogoEdited

Who the heck was this Alice Cooper anyway and why did “she” sound like a dude . . . and a devil dude, at that? I bet they even had a house littered with satanic bibles and dead babies.

OH MY GOSH! I soon learned that Alice even had a song called “Dead Babies”. WHAT. THE. HECK!

I quickly learned that she was a he and that he was actually from right there in Phoenix, Arizona, by way of Detroit. The band and its sound quickly grew on me and I became a fan. Becoming a fan was certainly helped by the fact that my parents hated them/him and by the urban legend/rumor in my church that one of our local pastors was mentioned in the Cooper song, “No More Mr. Nice Guy”.

Here's how the rumor went and some background on it:

In the very small denomination that I grew up in, it’s largest church in the city – as well as the state – was the 44th Street Church of God. The pastor of said church was the (now late) Herschel Diffie.

Coop fans can see where this is going.

The story goes that Alice slipped into the 44th Street CoG one Sunday night and was “preached under conviction” by Rev. Diffie – so much so that he immortalized the religious experience in “No More Mr. Nice Guy”. That, alone, solidified me as a rebellious, pre-teen fan.

I’m told that the story was repeated at Rev. Diffie’s funeral many years later.Alice Cooper Paranormal press pictures online print copyright earMUSIC credit Rob Fenn 4Photo by Rob Fenn

But the rumor isn’t true.

Forty-plus years later, I found out indirectly from Mrs. Cooper that the rumor isn’t true. That the truth is as the lyrics are written (“. . . the Rev. Smith, he recognized me . . .”). A couple of years later, in an interview with Alice’s original bassist, Dennis Dunaway, that it was definitely “Rev. Smith”.

One more Alice Cooper story from my youth before moving on into the interview y’all are dying to read:

The School’s Out album had just been recently released. My high school girlfriend of the moment, Adrienne (RIP), had loaned me her copy for me to listen to.

Now, I’ll stop right her to ‘splain to you newbies about this album. Through shear brilliance, Alice’s manager, Shep Gordon, came up with the idea of replacing the dust sleeve that routinely protected albums within their covers with a pair of paper panties. It was shear marketing brilliance on Shep’s part.

Back to my story.

Knowing that the panties were on the album, I came home, and my parents asked me about the album. I told them that it was the new Alice Cooper album that Adrienne let me borrow. I showed them how the album cover opened like an old school desk. Then, I pulled out the album.

The look on my parents’ face was priceless as they saw the panties on the album was absolutely priceless! I shrugged my shoulders and said something to the effect of, “Oh. Adrienne must’ve lost the dust cover and improvised.” I went to my room and had a good laugh and later told them the truth.

I don’t think they believed me.

Back to the devil and Alice Cooper.

Alice Cooper Paranormal press pictures online print copyright earMUSIC credit Rob Fenn 3Photo by Rob FennOver the years, there were all sorts of other rumors and urban legends about our favorite Phoenician. But the fact was, Alice Cooper (born one Vincent Furnier) rocked our world with incredible – if now shocking – rock and roll as well as theater. Yes, theater. He did so before KISS. Before Marilyn Manson. Before Insane Clown Posse. Before a whole lot of other knock-off bands.

Since those days, Alice Cooper has recorded some 27 studio albums, 11 live albums that are all joined by 21 compilation albums.

Because Alice was going to be performing at a venue near me, I was given the opportunity to interview him by phone. When I called him at his Paradise Valley, Arizona, home, we made some small talk before starting the interview. When I mentioned that I grew up in Phoenix, he wanted to know what high school I went to. When I told him that I went to Moon Valley – the rival to his beloved Cortez High School, it started a great, impromptu chat about our high school days.

For instance, when I told Alice that I ran Cross Country my freshman year, sucked at it, and not invited to run the following years of high school, he said:

“Wow. That was my sport. I was a four-year letterman at Cortez. The Cortez Colts, when I was there, we couldn’t win a football game to save our life. But we were 72-0 in Cross Country. I was running a 4:40 mile and I was the seventh guy on the team. There were guys running 4:20, 4:19, 4:16 on the mile. So, I mean, we were pretty unbeatable in Cross Country. Anything else? We got killed in.”

“We ran the canal. Monday would be sort of the long run. We would do, maybe, an eight to ten mile run on Monday. Tuesday, was Hell Day, and that was eight 80’s for time. Wednesday was more of a sprint kind of thing just for kicking at the end and, then, Thursday was a little bit of a layoff because Friday was the meet.”

Just prior to our interview, Alice celebrated his 70th birthday that was celebrated via a fundraiser for his charity, the Solid Rock Foundation. His life-long career manager, Shep Gordon, put the whole thing together, including an amazing cake that looked just like Alice.  When I mentioned it (and wished him a belated Happy Birthday), Cooper said:

“Shep did the whole thing. You know, it was a fundraiser for Solid Rock, which is my charity here. It was a very eventful AliceCooperBirthdayCakeAlice's Birthday Cake - Photo by Danny Zeliskobirthday. On my birthday was the Super Bowl. All my friends were there from Bernie Taupin to Richie Sambora. I mean, everybody was there at the party.

“Two days before that, I was in a head-on collision. It hurt my shoulder, but it wasn’t that bad. And, then, I announced that night – on my seventieth birthday – that some period during the year, I would shoot my age in golf. The very next day, I shot 69. I shot a two under par at Arizona Biltmore Country Club. It was great! I made everything!”

Before cutting to the purpose of our interview, I mentioned a mutual friend of ours, Cherylanne Devita, founder and CEO of DeVita Natural Skin Care and Color Cosmetics

“Oh, yeah! Cherylanne is on our board – the Solid Rock board! She does a great job with Solid Rock, too. She’s one of the people that really – she’s a go-getter that we really like!”

Shifting from the personal to the paranormally professional, I asked Alice about his latest CD, Paranormal.

“You know? It’s funny. Every once in a while, you hit on an album with the right people at the right time with the right producer and the right songs. This album was in the top ten in thirty countries. It was just one of those albums that caught on. I don’t know if it was the fact that I switched things around. I used Larry Mullen, Jr. on drums – from U2 and that was a big shock to people. They said, ‘Well, that doesn’t sound like it would fit.’ It fit perfectly!

“Getting Billy Gibbons to play on, ‘Fallen In Love (and I Can’t Get Up)’. It was the perfect song for him! Roger Glover (current bassist for Deep Purple) playing on ‘Paranormal’ – the idea was to put the right person on the right song. And Bob Ezrin and I and Tommy (Denander), we sat down and our only goal on this album was we all have to get off on every song. It has to be a song that all of us go, ‘Yeah! That really works!’

“And, then, adding the original band for three songs made it even more of an eclectic kind of album but it all stayed to hard rock. That’s all we’re gonna do is hard rock. It’ll have a different flavor here and a different flavor there depending on who’s playing on it but it’s always going to be a hard rock album for Alice Cooper.”

Coop is an amazing lyricist/songwriter that is often underappreciated. I asked if writing songs was getting easier or harder for him now.

“No, that’s actually the easiest thing for me. To me, writing lyrics is, for some reason, that’s the easiest part for me. I’ve got a rhythm to it. I’ve got a certain – not a formula – but I kinda write in the same way. I try to write about things that are interesting to me about people. Not necessarily situations, but people.

“I think when Bob Dylan heard ‘Only Women Bleed’ or something like that, that was the one song that he mentioned in Rolling Stone. He said, ‘I think that Alice is the most underappreciated writer in America.’ For me to get a compliment like that from Bob Dylan was, you know, you can’t get any better than that! I didn’t think he even knew I existed! That was a nice push.

“Then, being nominated for the Songwriter’s Hall of Fame this year is one of those things, also, you never expect. I expected the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, but I didn’t really expect the Songwriter’s Hall of Fame. I would love to be in the same Hall of Fame as Burt Bacharach and people like that. Brian Wilson and Paul McCartney.”

When I said that I appreciated the intricacies and tongue-in-cheek humor in his lyrics, Cooper replied:

“I think that I got a little bit of that from Kurt Vonnegut. I used to read a lot of Kurt Vonnegut. His sense of humor matched up with my sense of humor. I think that shows up every once in a while in the songs.”

Even at seventy-years young, Alice is still a touring animal, performing concerts around the world for much of each year. I asked him what fans can expect from shows in the upcoming tour.

“Right now, the number one drummer in rock and roll, Glen Sobel, was just voted Best Drummer in Rock and Roll. He’s my drummer. 

“I’ve got Hurricane Nita Strauss on guitar. She was with The Iron Maidens. I needed a shredder. I had Orianthi in the band and she left and went with Richie Sambora and, so, I wanted another girl guitar player. I didn’t even go after a girl guitar player, but I heard Nita play and she was exactly what I was looking for: a shredder. Because I already had Ryan Roxie, who is one of the great rock and roll players. And I had Tommy Kenriksen, who was a producer and writer.

“And, then, Chuck Garric has been with me for almost twenty years. What I love about this band is that nobody has ever heard an argument backstage.

“Everybody in the band are best friends and they all can’t wait to get onstage. They’re there for all the right reasons. It’s funAlice Cooper Paranormal press pictures online print copyright earMUSIC credit Rob Fenn 3bPhoto by Rob Fenn being with a band that is having fun in what they’re doing rather than complaining all the time. Even on off days, a lot of bands on days off, everybody goes their own way. In this band, everybody goes to the movies together. And, then, everybody goes to the sushi bar together. And, then, I go back home with Sheryl (Mrs. Cooper) and they all go out to clubs and find clubs to play in.

“The show is just absolutely pure Alice Cooper. I mean, it’s got everything you could imagine in it. It’s got every element of Alice Cooper in it. I’ve never seen such good reviews as this tour and it’s just going to keep going on and on.”

Many feels that the music business is horribly broken. I asked Cooper if he felt that the music business is broken and, if so, what would he do to fix it.

“Well, right now, there’s very little rock and roll in the music business. It’s what I call ‘modern music’ or it’s ‘young adults music’. But there’s very few outlaws out there. There’s very few bands – Guns ‘n Roses, Alice Coopers, Aerosmiths – those were the bands whose signature was the fact that they were already pirates. They were already outlaws.

“Rock and Roll should have an outlaw attitude to it and everybody is so wimpy at this point. That’s why I like young bands that come up and they’ve got attitude. Foo Fighters. Great band. Bands like Green Day. High energy bands like that. That’s what we need. We need young kids, right now, in the garages learning Guns ‘n Roses and bands like that. And I think that’ll happen. But, right now, the most exciting guy out there is Bruno Mars. I don’t even like that kind of music and I really think he’s the most talented guy out there. But the rest of it to me is just so – I watched the Grammy’s and I went, ‘I don’t know who any of these people are!’ There was no rock and roll in the whole show.

“What’s it about now is the metal bands are the only bands that have an attitude. They’re the only ones that get up there with attitude and having fun with what they’re doing. I see bands up there that, Geez! I go, ‘How boring can you be?’ And they think it’s rock and roll. It’s not rock and roll.”

Alice Cooper has accomplished a lot in his career. Still, there has something he hasn’t done yet, professionally, that he still wants to do.  What would that be?

“Well, I mean, you know, the Broadway thing, doing Herod in Jesus Christ Superstar, that’s only a one-night thing. But I would love to see Welcome To My Nightmare on Broadway. The show’s already written. I mean, all you have to do is get up and plan it. So, if somebody comes up to us and says, ‘I would like to produce Welcome To My Nightmare on Broadway,’ I would say that would be a great idea.”

When I asked if he would want to star in it or have someone else do it, Cooper replied:

“I could but at the same time, somebody else could play Alice Cooper, too. I would want to be involved in the direction of it only because I wrote the whole show. I would want to see how this guy plays Alice and sort of direct him and say, ‘Alice would never do that’ or ‘Alice would never take it there.’”

When I posited that it was kind of like the “Love, Janis” stage show, Alice piped in and said, ‘Yeah, except that usually Alice Cooper Paranormal press pictures online print copyright earMUSIC credit Rob Fenn 4Photo by Rob Fennhappens when you’re dead!’

Wrapping up our chat, I asked the legendary shock rocker how he wanted to be remembered and what did he hope his legacy would be.

“Well, I think that it’s pretty much written that Alice will always be the Busby Berkley meets Bela Lugosi. Shock Rock has always been termed with Alice Cooper. But, really, we brought theater to rock and roll. I mean, we brought really legitimate theater to rock and roll, and nobody had done it before us. Being very modest about this, I don’t think anybody’s ever done it better than us. That’s always been my key thing.

“If you’re going to be an Alice Cooper show, it has to be guitar rock, take-no-prisoners rock and roll. And it has to be theatrical. To me, that’s what I think I’ll be known as: maybe the Barnum and Bailey of rock and roll.”

You can keep up with Alice and the latest in his career by visiting Be sure to see where he’ll be performing near you and snag up some tickets. It will definitely be the experience of a lifetime.

Doug Gray Of The Marshall Tucker Band

Posted April 2018

marshalltuckerband I’ll bet you a dollar to a donut that even if you’re not an avid listener to music (and that’s unlikely or you wouldn’t be visiting, that you’ve probably heard the Marshall Tucker Band at least a half a million times on the radio since your teen years in the seventies. I know I probably have.

When I found out that the iconic band was going to be performing my neck of the woods at the world-renown Dollywood (April 21st), I reached out to the good folks at the theme park to arrange an interview with the band’s lead singer, Doug Gray.
Making small talk at the beginning of our call, I asked how the veteran rocker was doing.
“I couldn’t ask for anything to be any better . . . unless I’d of won the lottery and then it wouldn’t have changed the way I am, anyway. But I’d be kinda excited that I’d won and then see what happened, you know?”

When I added, “You’d see how many more friends you have?” He said, “I did that twenty years with cocaine – I knew how many friends I didn’t need. Once I quit, I was down to two friends, again; my mom, my dad, and, maybe, my sister. But, anyway, once I quit, it was the same friends. It didn’t matter to me. After twenty years of it, you just stop, and I stopped August 16th, 1989, and haven’t done any at all since then. I’m on the road to success, I guess. Ha! Ha!”

When I added that he was fortunate and wise to heed the wake-up call and has been able to live a fulfilling life and to help others, Gray said: “I’m kinda showing people that you can stop. That’s the most important thing. I don’t make a big issue out of it. I don’t stand on a pedestal. I don’t have to wave my southern flag and I don’t have to wave my Marshall Tucker flag and I wave any flag ‘cept for the United States flag. I have to do that. I just want to make sure that when we do what we do, we’re doing it for the right reason. And my band, as it stands right now . . . they’re out there to play every night. It’s just in front of a different audience – a new audience. And you would think that it would get old to them. Certainly, people think that it would get old to me, but it doesn’t get old to me because I make it interesting, first of all. I’m just that kind of person. I’ll change it around no matter what. I’m gonna make sure it’s – if the bass is sounding good that night, I’m gonna let Tony Black have that thang and I’m just gonna let him wear it out for five or ten minutes and give out because he’s working his butt off!

“These guys – their strength – not strength in numbers – putting the right people together, each one of those strengths add up to more than one hundred percent. That’s what I like to think we’re doing.”

With Gray having been in the rock and roll business for darn near 50 years, I asked him if he thought that it was going to work out.

“Ha! Ha! Well, I thought about it seriously and it’s either that or work at Krispy Kreme. I knew that at Krispy Kreme I’d be  a lot bigger than I am right now, okay? Let me tell you somethin’: Dunkin Donuts would be fighting me every day if I worked at Krispy Kreme.

“No, I really believe that I didn’t have any choice but to do this. This is a God-given gift. That’s the first thing I should say. But, also, it would not have been realized if my dad hadn’t taken me into a cotton mill and said, ‘This is where you can work, or you can go out there and sing,’ because he already knew that I could sing at seven years old, ‘kay? I’d get up there and sing with everybody. I think I more or less drove everybody crazy singin’. Then they’d push me off and then push me on the road and, then – So, here I am, some fourteen years later – I think that’s what it is: I’m very interested in what people think of the band. My last interview was with people that were interested in the other bands as well; the completion of what we try to do. We’re not out there to sell a record. We’re out there every night to play as hard as we can.

“Marshall Tucker Band is a go-see band. You see that band and I promise you – I know I’m singin’ and the rest of the guys are, too – you come see our band and we’ve created a memory. By creating that memory, it extends into your grandkids and your kids. When we go play a state fair somewhere and there’s fifteen or eighteen thousand people out there, we’re gonna do autographs and you got a girl that says she’s 10 or 12 years old and she says, ‘I love your band.’ And she’s real timid about the whole thing but she wants an autograph. I say, ‘Let me ask you a question: Who are you here with?’ She said, ‘My dad and my mom and my grandma.’ And I say, ‘Where are they’ and she pointed them out. So, I go over there, and I talk to them. Every one of them had been coming to shows for over thirty-somethin’ years. You know, if it had been forty, I’d been happier, but it was thirty, so I have to live with it, okay?

“It gives me the knowledge that got to have - you know, a lot of people don’t watch American Idol or The Voice or anything like that. They’re missing a little bit. It might be a little conglomerated in certain places. But you’re getting to hear people that are fourteen years old sing that, maybe, would’ve never got a chance to get up there, have confidence, and do things. I watch it and I get tears and cold chills. In other words, I’m still learning every time I go on stage. I’m still learning that this song works or that note works or the rest of the guys should be up there doin’ somethin’ else.

“Take ‘Take the Highway’ - I sing, ‘Take the Highway’ over thirty years. When I heard the flute players that’s with me and has been for 15 – 18 years, I heard him do ‘Take the Highway’ and he sang it and I went, ‘I think you just found your new job!’ You know what? He loved it and he’d been wanting to sing it, but he never really said anything. So, it just made it better and I’m all for making anything you can better.”

Right after high school, I went to a small Bible college in Fresno, California. While I was there, I met an amazing pianist by the name of Paul Thompson. We became good friends, and, after school, he went on to become keyboardist briefly for the Marshall Tucker Band until his untimely death in 1994. I mentioned to Doug that I knew Paul.

“The saddest part and the saddest day with Paul – his dad was a minister. I don’t know if you knew that. His dad was a minister and Paul had stopped his bad habits – stopped drinkin’ so much. His girlfriend and I were friends. She’s the one that called me up and said that Paul was riding his bike in front of the cemetery where we were all standing. We were all standing right there, and this lady changed lanes, went over too far and pushed him off the road. Automatically got him.
“So, as we’re sitting there – we’re all trying to figure it out – if that’s the place everybody talked about. Sure enough, somebody went right across – right where it was. We all said our blessings to Paul and his family. Paul had a couple of kids, too. They’ve been to our shows since he’s passed.

“Paul was an exceptional guy. He really was. He’d talk me into bicycle rides that I called from hell because I told him, ‘If you pull that hill, you’ve pretty much broken through to the other side.’ We were talking about him taking that Saluda River Run I think it was what it was called. He was a helluva guy.”

Shifting gears, I asked Gray what’s been the biggest changes he’s seen – positive and negative – during his fifty years in the music business.

“The simplest thing that I can say is the electronic age has helped an old band to be better. Primarily because people can hear one of our songs on the radio and they can immediately try to Google it or iTunes or all these places and find out what song that is and who wrote it. Then they’ll YouTube it and they’ll see who we were – who the band was. That’s the positive side of it. Do I think that it helped our band? The answer to that question is that we’re still signed with Sony/Red – a band that’s 45+ years old and still’s got another 5 years to go with the company. You pretty much know that you’re sellin’ records. But, you’re not selling records anymore because there won’t be any CDs after next year – which is a sad thing because it will all be streaming. That’s a whole ‘nother step. We have to grow with the things that we’re surrounded with. There’s one thing about it: we all can re-build. There’s a lot of things you can’t rebuild but most solid things you can. You can come back to that kind of stuff.

And how has technology hurt the music business?

“I that because people can’t pick up an album cover and they can’t read about what they’re listening to on their turntable and they can’t read it because it’s so small on CDs, they have identified Marshall Tucker as being not an individual band – not an individual group. It has nothing to do with my name not being Marshall Tucker. I could care less about that. But, what we found is that – and that’s why we put records out. That’s why we went back and have the rights to put all that stuff out. So, we put that stuff back together, put album covers out, but there was a two-fold reason for a lot of things. One was nobody could read who was playing what or what the lyrics was. We kind of insisted on doing that with the new record after we reproduced them ourselves and put them out for sale.

“The other reason – and I told somebody – I think Billboard Magazine the other day – one of the bad things is that people like to sit there and roll their pot on an album cover. Ha! Ha! That being said, the truth is there! ‘Hand me the album cover. I wanna roll another one . . .’ I’ve been there. I know. My twenty years sober but I did all that craziness and stuff like that. But you got to realize that that was one of the downfalls to it because people didn’t have that to sit around and talk about. They’d rather sit there and pull something up on YouTube. That’s the downfall because they’re not personally getting the info. If everything had subtitles, that would probably be the best way – putting peoples’ names underneath because people won’t know that Tommy Caldwell played that bass solo or won’t know that I sang this song or Toy played that song. They don’t know any more. They really don’t. It’s kind of a bless for a band that’s old but it’s even more of a blessing for a bunch of bands out there now that can’t stand on their own except for one song.

“People say, ‘I sure miss this, or I sure miss that.’ Yes, you miss it, but the thing is you should be happy that hold that is exposed is just gonna get stronger for whoever comes next. I say that with all sincerity that every time Tommy – when Tommy got killed, it made a sense of desperation for a minute. Then it made it to where we had to collect ourselves and realize that what we started – the reason we started this – not because we wanted to be in a band. It’s just that we knew that we were drawn together to play music that satisfied people. Made them walk away and went, ‘Wow!’ That’s why I’m still here doin’ it now.”

When I asked Doug what can fans expect from MTB’s Dollywood show and the rest of the shows on that tour, he said:

“Well, of course, we will do the same show – I can promise you this: It will be the same set list down at my foot that we do whether we play with Kid Rock or Zak Brown. That set list will be there. But we will never follow it. That, I can promise. Fifteen years now, they’ve done the same thing. They’ve put it out there and it’s been the kind of thing where I find it right at the microphone. It’s at my left foot. Everybody says, ‘Why do you do a set list?’ Why should we stop now? This is fifteen years later. It does give reference to a lot of the songs. It’s the same one. They just keep re-printing them, stacking them out there.

“So, we will be playing ‘Can’t You See,’ ‘Heard It in A Love Song’ – all those that people are familiar with that they created their memories with. We will be recreating some memories for those people and opening up the door to some younger kids that will come in to watch a band.

“I’ll tell you a little secret: One of the funny things about this is this one girl come up and I said, ‘Where did you hear this song?’ She was probably fifteen. I don’t know. She come up for an autograph and said, ‘I’ve heard this song a million times. I love this song!’ I said, ‘Where did you learn it?’ She said, ‘My momma strapped me into that baby seat in the back. I think all I ever heard was them two songs, Can’t You See and Heard It in Love Song.’ She said, ‘For five years, that’s all I ever heard!’ And I’m thinkin’ to myself, ‘How many other people are in the same thing?’ Think of that. Because you had to be strapped in.”

I asked Gray if he were made music czar, what would he do to fix the music industry, or does it need to be fixed?

“I think it’s too late to be fixed. We are just one people. We, as a group, are just one people. The music’s gonna come whether I’m in Jamaica or whether I’m watching that guy go down the street and he’s got his radio up a million times too loud for his own ears, I don’t think I could fix anything. I wouldn’t do anything different except for some of the stuff that’s being on certain radio (stations) right now that’s become a little bit nasty. It’s been a little bit too nasty. Would I be able to listen to it? I could listen to that song all day long by myself or with my girlfriend going down the road I could listen to that song and say, ‘That’s a good rhythm and a good beat.’ But some of the lyrics have gotten filthy nasty for their own good. And they won’t be around for very much longer. They won’t. The cleansing of the whole thing is going to be – not the parental stickers. That ain’t gonna work. But, the fact is that people will start listening and they’ll go back to the original type of music that inspires them.

“And I will tell you something else. Somebody asked me, ‘Now what band am I gonna be interviewing in thirty years, Doug, that will be around in thirty years?’ I said, ‘Well, it’s pretty simple to me. Zak Brown, who is a giver. He started out givin’. He did it before he had the money and then when he had the money, he gave more. That’s the guy with all the things you could possibly have in the world. To me, those are the kind of guys that will be around in thirty years. They’ll still be giving. Look at Ricky Skaggs. Ricky Skaggs just got put into the Hall of Fame in Nashville. Ricky and I played together, and he had never sang Can’t You See before. I had him up in Nashville as a guest standing over there. He was playing with us at the River Front. He got up there and he got to playing with us. I loved it so much, I was afraid to stop! I didn’t want the world to end! He was playing so well. Then, I said, ‘How about singing a verse?’ and he went right into a verse. I went, ‘Now that’s the kinda kid you wanna be. He’s younger than me. That’s the kinda kid you really want to hang out with that does nothing but help you to move along.”

Is there anyone up-and-coming that’s on Doug’s radar and commanding his attention?

“Well, there’s two bands. One’s Scooter Brown. The second one is Blackberry Smoke. Both of those people are opening shows for us a lot of times. They are headlining, as well. They’re doing their own little thing. They’re doing like Marshall Tucker did years ago. We got in a Dodge van and drove across the country with a trailer. ‘You want a band tonight? Here we are!’ That’s what keeps bands going.
I asked Doug Gray a question I often ask tenured artists such as himself: When he steps off the great tour bus of life up at that great gig in the sky (to borrow from Pink Floyd), how did he want to be remembered and what did he hope his legacy would be?

“I guess my legacy is just going to be the way I am and the way that I’m gonna be which you already know. I can’t answer that for myself. I don’t see myself as answering that. I don’t feel honored enough to put something like that on myself. If I were step off the bus and find out that, all the sudden, that was it. Couldn’t do it anymore. Was gone and was no longer on the earth, that I’m connected to the people that I love, I would want them to remember all the hugs and the kisses that I gave to them whether I was physically touching them or mentally touching them by my song.”

Be sure to visit Dollywood.comto order park passes and tickets to catch the Marshall Tucker Band’s April 21stshow there. Also, keep up with the band by visiting

Don McLean: American As American Pie

Published March 2018


DonMcLean001Every writer dreams of writing the great American novel and songwriters dream of writing that one song that everyone knows.  Forty-seven years ago, Singer/Songwriter, Don McLean, accomplished both with his masterpiece song, American Pie.

While McLean has written other huge hits such as “And I Love You So” and “Vincent”, “American Pie” is THE song. The hit. The indelible mark on humanity and culture around the world. It doesn’t get much headier than that.

I met with Don McLean and his publicist in his hotel suite in downtown Nashville. He was there for a brief exhibit at the Country Music Hall of Fame as well as to receive BMI’s Million-Air Award.

As we made small talk, he asked about Boomerocity and the other publications I write for as well as my background. When I mentioned that my first concert was Elvis and my first “interview” was a chance conversation with Colonel Parker before the show, it started an impromptu chat about all things Elvis. It was such a rare privilege to hear one icon to speak in-depth about another icon. McLean had a lot to say about Presley.

“It’s hard to believe that he was bankrupt when he died. Isn’t that unbelievable? And, then, his wife ends up being this business genius; turns it all around and makes it (Graceland) the most visited place in the United States; makes hundreds of millions of dollars. Only if they had stayed together, imagine what a great combination they would’ve been! He basically couldn’t exist. He didn’t like being without her.”

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“He had those boys he was always with! Imagine waking up in the morning, ‘Hey, Priscilla! You’re lookin’ purty good!’ I mean, c’mon! All in the pool together. Those guys not only killed his marriage, but then they went and wrote that book (Elvis: What Happened by Red West, Sonny West, and Dave Hebler), which really killed him.”

The discussion then slightly veered over to Elvis’ musicians. McLean started off by telling a story about a quote by Jerry Scheff, Elvis’ bassist for many years.

 “I read an interview by the bass player and he said the sound was Vegas Punk. That’s what he thought of the sound of Elvis’ group was. Hard edged. Very basic. A punk rock, Vegas thing, is what they were, basically. Isn’t that a funny perception of their sound? As I listen to it with that in my mind, sometimes, I hear what he’s saying. Ronnie Tutt (Elvis’ drummer), that guys is like an octopus! Nobody plays like he does! He (Elvis) had the right people.

“I’ve read a number of books about Elvis Presley. It’s funny because I remember Gordon Stoker (of the Jordanaires, Elvis’s former backup group), whose son, Alan, is the reason why they’re doing this little tribute to me and my music. He would talk about Elvis because Gordon just couldn’t stop talking about him. Nobody could. Nobody has! Those guys were close to him, you know? We would talk, and we would always go around to Elvis and he says, ‘Oh, this story and that story.’

“He said one thing – it’s a very simple thing that he said. He said two things, actually. He said, ‘You couldn’t tell the Presley’s nothing.’ That’s interesting. They’re their own little clan; keeping their own counsel; you couldn’t tell them nothing – no matter how wrong or right it was, whatever. They knew it. He died but they did know. They were going to stay with the Colonel no matter what. The Colonel took his half but made him what he was.

“And the other thing he said – and this is a cute phrase that he used – when Elvis realized that he wasn’t going to be in A Star Is Born or one of those things where he was going to be a real actor, he said, ‘He took down his sign.’ That’s what Gordon said. ‘He just took down his sign.’ Out of business. He was just sleepwalking from that point on. I don’t think he realized, ‘What am I going to do after the jumpsuit and the show gets old and I’m getting tired.’ Can’t retire! He was saying that he couldn’t retire. Too many people to feed. Too many expenses. He’d been swamped by all these expenses.

DonMcLean002“I sat with Tom Jones once. We were talking about him (Elvis), of course, and talking about Vegas. I said, ‘Do you realize that in a month, Elvis Presley got paid $150,000 for the week; 15 shows a week; 60 for the month. He got only half of that which is only $75,000 for 15 shows and he bore the expenses. So, you’re talking two grand a night to do these shows for two hours. He was killing himself!

“At the same time, I was making $7,000, $8,000 a night myself and The King was making two grand a night, what it comes down to. And that’s what killed him was those shows; working like a rented mule!”

I used our conversation about The King to lead into a question I had slotted for later in the interview and that was what Don’s favorite cover of was one of his songs. I’d told him that mine was Elvis’ treatment of “And I Love You So”.

“Well, Elvis’ cover of that song was one of my favorites and the other one was the Fred Astaire version of Wonderful Baby. Those are two that I’m very proud of. Elvis recorded the song twice. He recorded it live. It’s on his last album – the concert album and he recorded it on that Today album. But he also did it just about every night in that last year of his life. So, there are now quite a few, I guess, board mixes floating around of those shows. The song is on every one of them.

“It thrilled me because when I was a little boy – 1956, I guess – I was, like, eleven, and Elvis had just come out. I had two 78 rpm records of Elvis Presley. That’s the first ones I had were 78’s. My grandmother and I used to sit and listen to those. My parents didn’t understand any of that, but she loved music and she loved the Jordanaires.

“So, it was a big thrill for me many, many years later – in 1978 – to be in Nashville and record Since I Don’t Have You, DonMcLean003Crying, and do two albums, Castles In The Air, the re-recording, all with the Jordanaires; two whole albums with them. I got to know them, and I took them on the road. Played Carnegie Hall three times, I think. And we also went overseas and did a BBC television special with a lot of guys from Nashville and the Jordanaires in 1978, around there. So, there was a lot of that.

“I worked with them off and on through the eighties. On all the records I later made, I always try to have them on there; on my Christmas stuff and all that. So, I got to know them and their families as well as the sidemen in town. That’s the only personal connection I had with other artists is in Nashville. My legal people are here. Everything has sort of grown out of Nashville. I don’t know why. It’s just like this natural affinity for me.

“Chet Atkins used to do Vincent every knight. He’s the one who brought And I Love You So to Perry Como. He called me to his house when he was dying. He wanted to say goodbye to me. Tony Migliore, his piano player for twenty years, who has been mine for twenty years now, or more, went with me and we said goodbye to Chet who was very sick. He said, ‘I’m just glad I got to know you.’ Isn’t that a nice thing?

“I remember when I was on the Grammys. The Grammys were here in Nashville. Vincent – the whole “Pie” thing was up for Grammys; four different categories they were in. I didn’t win in any of them. I sang Vincent on the show. Johnny Cash invited me to his house and I stayed there for a couple of days and met his family. So, you can imagine that I was swimming in legendary oxygen. Very heady.

DonMcLean004“So, as I was leaving, I was going down this escalator to go to the gate at the airport and George Jones is going up the escalator. It was in the crew cut days. He had a Nudie suit on and he turned to me and said, ‘Nice singin’, boy. That was good singin’, son.’

“So, they immediately took to me. I’ve always been kind of a loaner and it was a beautiful thing to be appreciated. I’ve had my supporters in the world of rock and roll and in the world of straight pop music and so on, but I never really had the across the board – I got to know Brenda Lee; I got to know many other folks who would send me Christmas cards. Ralph Emery and people like that. It’s a nice thing for me.”

Since we were talking about Nashville, I asked Don to tell me about the exhibit of his at the Country Music Hall of Fame.

“Yeah! It’s a real nice thing because of that. Again, I’m not one of those powerhouse guys with all these platinum records. I do have gold and platinum records all around the world in many countries; amounting to forty, I guess. But I’m not a major store or a major commercial entity but I am a piece of Americana, I think. For that, I think Americans like me. They like my music and it belongs, I think, in the exhibit. I think it will be entertaining. Interesting.”

I also asked about the BMI Million-Air award McLean was receiving.

“Well, it’s so often, I guess, when they notice that I’m with BMI, they decide to look and see how many plays off of so many songs. So, that’s what’s gonna happen.”

As I stated at the beginning of this article, writers dream of writing the great American novel and Don McLean pretty much did that with American Pie. He’s obviously had a lot of years to reflect on it and endured a lot of idiotic questions about it, so I wondered with him being at this stage of his life, what was his assessment about why it still stands so well and why the intrigue about its mystique?

“Well, it was always a phenomenon, you know, from the very beginning. It always dominated my image – to the detriment, really, of people listening to my sound, my style, my singing style, my guitar playing, my performing skills. It’s always been about the fascination with that song. And as I’ve gotten older, now, I’m really thankful that I have something somebody wants to hear because I’m seventy-two years old. I’ve been on the road for fifty years. Played all over the planet and all over these United States; in every little place and big place.

“It’s a wonderful thing, now, because I can be interviewed and get my ideas across. The albums sell well. The ‘Best Of’s’ sell DonMcLean005well. People know the material and it’s because of that song – always being fresh. Always pushing on to new generations; not dying off with the generation that it started with. So, it started off as a bit of a drag and then it turned out to be a very good thing as time went by.”

It was at that point that I interjected that, for the record (no pun intended), that, in addition to American Pie and Vincent, the most moving song off that album is The Grave; that it’s still applicable today with war still going on. Don replied:

“They always will be going on. As long as we have the Military Industrial Complex, you’re going to have venues to try out this stuff. That’s usually what it comes down to. So, that’s it and Eisenhower warned us about this and here we are, you know?

“It’s the same thing with this global warming stuff. When I was with Pete Seeger forty years ago, there were lots of scientists who would give little lectures. We had this thing called the Hudson River Sloop and it was an environment project. They said, ‘In forty years, if we don’t do something, the following things are going to happen.’ And they’re happening! The prognostication was absolutely correct. Therefore, there’s some aspect of this that has to do with what we’re doing.

“Now, having said that, the planet’s changing all the time. Things are happening all the time. It’s almost like trying to figure out what complex thing is happening. You can’t really blame one thing. But, it’s not helping people with asthma, I’ll tell ya that so who needs it, right?”

Since he brought up his Pete Seeger days, I asked him a question that I’ve asked others who had performed in the sixties and seventies. I had listened to other interviews with McLean where he talked about how it was in the sixties and seventies and how that was the fodder for what he wrote in American Pie and other songs. I asked him to think back to what was going on in his mind back in those early days, what was he imagining fifty years from then being like and what was going to happen between then and now; how close to that was he and how far off was he?

“I can give you a very simple answer. I never looked ahead that far, at all. All I can say is that I feel the same as I always did. People seem to be somewhat the same. But, I would think that – the big change that I’ve seen – there’s many things I could say. Too many. But one of the things is that I think people have become more superstitious. They’ve become less empirical in their knowledge and in wanting to know things. They’re more likely to say, ‘Well, you know, if I’m blessed, this will happen to me.’ Doing something that’s sort of outside the norm of, ‘Well, why dontcha just get a goal for yourself and make that happen?’ You know what I mean? I think that has to do with the decaying of a lot of institutions. The church. The schools. Family life. Morality. Civility.

“Gradually, over a period of time of many, many, many years – starting out, everybody thinks that the sixties was such a great thing. I never thought it was. I thought the music was interesting but I didn’t like the idea of everything sort of disintegrating. ‘Tear it down! Steal this book!’ What are you gonna replace it with?

“The human being has a ferocious subconscious which is capable of doing anything and law is the only reason that we don’t. Without law and some sort of belief in morality and right and wrong. I think part of it – if I want to go one step further – I think that it’s part of – I hate to say this – but I think, really, we are always in a struggle totalitarianism; with communism; and they love to see our resolve fractured and our beliefs challenged. And they love to see us not know quite where we’re at because it helps them. And I hate to say this but I really think that this is an ongoing struggle we sort of don’t realize is always happening. You can see it more, now, this whole Russian thing that’s going on; the Chinese thing and the fact that we allow them to manufacture everything. EVERYTHING. And it ain’t good!

“We look back as if you could sort of sit here like your question was just like that. You’re sitting here, now, ‘What did you think it would be like then?’ Well, to start with, back when Kennedy was around, there were a hundred million people in the United States. There’s three hundred and fifty million (now). Sixty percent of them were on the farm. Farms are shrinking like mad. You’re gonna have this genetically altered food. All this weird crap that we’re gonna eat.

“The only thing we have before us now is clear skies. I would imagine if we manage to survive for another two or three hundred years, then you’re gonna have a lot of junk flying around in the sky. Little people with their own little things. Little drones carrying things because everybody has to have everything yesterday. ‘Oh! It will be landing here on a little pad!’ I can’t see office space being of any value because everybody’s going to be doing this (taps my laptop) or out of their phone or out of their new devices that we haven’t even started to see, yet. I can nanotechnology with this stuff plugged into us; everybody all locked into everything. No privacy! Everywhere you go, every second. There ain’t no privacy now!

“And the other thing – I’m really talking too much now – but the thing I say is this whole bringing people down with accusations, which is happening right here in Nashville. There’s a PR guy, Kirt Webster, destroyed in a week by accusations. Nobody was convicted of anything. There’s no proof of anything. There ain’t nothin’ except a bunch of people saying some things and it’s happened over and over and over. That’s not American, I don’t think, and I think a lot of people are starting to realize this and it’s making people afraid to interact.

“I never worked for anybody. I never had a job. I never had a boss. I’m just an observer and that’s where the songs come in. I’ll write things and put stuff in a song, from my observations. Why? I’m unemployable. I could never work for anyone. I’d say the wrong thing the first week I was there!

“That’s one of the things that I’ve learned. THAT’s the way things of have changed! I’m almost like Rip Van Winkle. I have awoken or awakened – whatever the word is – and realized between the social networking – it’s always about power. It’s always about power. Certain groups wanted to get power and finding ways to get power. Always about power . . . and about money. Always about those two things. Power, first, and then you get the money. I don’t know if this particular strategy is going to last.

“We have a lot of technology and a lot of stuff that keeps coming every second and making everything go faster. I think we’re pretty much going as fast as we can go. I think that’s why people go postal. I don’t think it’s too hard to figure out. They just throw up their hands. That’s the wonderful thing about my life is that I have places that I can go and properties I have which are – I’m into my horses, the land, solitude to some degree. I say that I’ve never had a boss or human resources counselor or anything like that so I’m still free to think and say what I wanna.”

As we got close to wrapping up our time, I asked Don McLean what did he hope, at this stage of his life, his legacy will be and how did he want to be remembered.

“Well, if you had asked me that ten years ago, we didn’t have YouTube. Now, I know that anybody that’s interested in singing and songwriting and guitar playing can follow me back to 1969 see me progress along with hundreds of these performances of many, many, many different songs and, also, lots of different situations. TV shows; in the studio; in front of thousands of people; outside; inside; small venue; whatever. And interviews to go with it so that anybody can find out – and then there are books telling my story and hundreds and hundreds of articles written about me.”

I interjected and asked if he was going to write a book, to which he replied:

“Maybe before I die I might start to write something which would be very personal but I’m not sure I wanna say any more about me than has been said. I don’t really know. There are a lot of personal, interesting things that I’ve experienced and seen that I might want to write about. I don’t know what I’m going to do.

“I know the story is out there. It’s an accurate story. The two books that have been written about me are accurate. And, as I say, all of this footage; all these appearances. People can make a decision about me. I never was trying to become the new Don McLean. I was always the same one. They say, ‘He reinvented himself.’ I say, ‘I was alright to begin with! I just need to keep on going!’”

When I, again, interjected - this time about how his guitar work was tastefully intricate from the get-go and only improved from there, Don said:

“You have to have taste. You have to know what your limits are. You have to keep things tasteful. Less is more! I hate these common phrases that everybody uses but that’s a true one. As you become more economical, as you go through the years, it’s easier to do the things that you wanted to do because you’ve done it so much.

“One of the things that I’ve noticed with a lot of the kids – very good singers and players and performers that are amateurs on television, on these shows, is that they over sing everything. They put ten notes in where two will do.

“Go listen to a Sinatra record. Listen to a ballad off that album, No One Cares. Listen to him sing. It’s not the number of notes, it’s the tone. It’s the control. It’s the vibrato. And the notes, exactly when they’re supposed to happen. Timing. Real timing. Not singing all kinds of stuff all over the place but moments. Judy Garland. Listen to that Judy Garland at Carnegie Hall, sometime, if you want to hear some singing. She’s stoned out of her mind and forty pounds, and probably a little drunk. Nobody can sing like that. This is a function of doing it. Not doing it at home but traveling, working, doing it, doing it, doing it. Year in. Year out. Year in and year out until you have command of this stuff. It’s a nice thing. It’s a nice feeling.

“My command is disintegrating, somewhat. I probably peaked in my fifties and maybe even in my early sixties. I’m getting older. I’m a little tired. There’s that thing. You really have to work hard. Maybe lift some weights and do some vocal exercises. Drink a little less. Eat a little less. All that stuff.

“Also, you have peaks. I had a certain voice in 1970 and another voice in 1980 and, then, another voice in the nineties. A little darker. A little lighter. I still have the high notes but a different voice now. I still sing everything in the same key. But I don’t hit outrageously high notes like I might’ve done when I was twenty-five.”

When I brought up about him taking opera lessons as a kid, he said:

“I took a few for maybe a month – two months, until my voice just started to change and then she kicked me out and said, ‘Come back sometime when you’re finished.’

“I never came back but I remembered everything she told me and I did the exercises. I kept building my voice. The voice is anDonMcLean006 amazing instrument because it’s a muscle and, if you use it properly and use throughout the years – if you have a run, say, a tour of a month or two months where you’re singing every few nights, that voice will be much better when you’re finished than it was when you started. If you don’t know how to sing, it will probably crash.”

My last question should’ve been my first and that was for him to tell me about his new album, Botanical Gardens.

“It’s a new album. All new songs. The album is called Botanical Gardens. It all stems from the theme song or the title song, I should say, which is a guy – an older man thinking about his life. It’s gotten kinda stale. ‘What am I gonna do? I’m going to this botanical garden and I see all these beautiful women and all these lovely flowers and colorful birds and memories of my youth. Start dreaming about romance and that wonderful youth and feeling. As the day goes by, the sun goes down, the gates are going to be closing. ‘Do I leave or do I stay? Do I go back to the world or do I stay?’ A kind of heaven. All the other stuff flows from that.”

Botanical Gardens is available March 23rd online wherever great music is sold. You can also keep up with Don McLean at his website,